Scott Fowler on game, Young, Panthers. Not wrong

[raleigh-panther]

’a few paragraphs from Scott below

With QB Bryce Young (4 turnovers) in full regression, Panthers get pummeled by Cowboys

BY SCOTT FOWLER

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4hrs ago

The Carolina Panthers reminded everybody exactly how bad they can be Sunday, regressing into a team that clears out its home stadium in the third quarter because its own fans can no longer stand to watch.

Favored to win for the first time in 34 games, the Panthers instead lost, 30-14, to the Dallas Cowboys 

Quarterback Bryce Young, whose “Good Bryce, Bad Bryce” on-field persona has been well-established over the past two seasons, trotted out Bad Bryce for this one. Young committed a career-high four turnovers — losing two fumbles and throwing two interceptions.

The fumbles were the worst of the four turnovers, coming as they did to ruin a promising drive inside the red zone on Carolina’s very first possession and then on the first play from scrimmage in the third quarter when Carolina was only trailing 10-7.

The whole vibe felt very much like last season, as Young was sacked a season-high six times and the wrapping-paper thin

Carolina defense allowed 211 yards rushing, 199 yards passing and three touchdown passes to backup Dallas quarterback Cooper Rush

 

The biggest part of it is just the ball security, right?” Panthers coach Dave Canales said. “Making sure that we end the down with the ball.”

Sounds simple, but the Panthers did it poorly. Young threw to the wrong guy on one of his interceptions — trying to force the ball to a well-covered Adam Thielen instead of a wide open Ja’Tavion Sanders — and then badly underthrew his other one. The fumbles were partly because Dallas was overwhelming the Panthers’ offensive line, but also because Young wasn’t being careful enough with the ball.
 

It’s the NFL,” Hunt said. “You got to come ready to play or get embarrassed. … Hopefully this week will humble us a little bit.”

***from me, love Hunt but that statement is laughable 3 and 10 buddy, 3 and 10 ***

You would think the Panthers were already pretty humble, given that they came into the game 3-10. And now, consider:

▪ Carolina has missed the playoffs for seven seasons in a row (in other words, in every year of owner David Tepper’s tenure).

▪ Tepper’s overall record as the Panthers owner is 34-79.

▪ Bryce Young’s overall record as an NFL starter is 4-21.

But after a month’s worth of looking like he might be the answer, Young mostly looked Sunday like the sort of quarterback who makes you question everything about the team. Canales did say afterward that Young will start again next week, as Carolina plays its final home game of the season against Arizona on Dec. 22.

“One game doesn’t define you,” Hubbard said in Young’s defense. “He’s played great over the last how many weeks? Mistakes are going to be made. I mean, it’s the NFL. It’s not easy.”

Definitely true. Especially when your quarterback turns the ball over four times.

[electro's horse]

Making sure that we end the down with the ball.

The absolute state of Bryce young. 

[45catfan]

9 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

▪ Bryce Young’s overall record as an NFL starter is 4-21.

Three of the four were walk off FGs by Pineiro.  None of the four wins by more than 3 points.

[ProcessBlue2]

Can we start Jack Plummer. I mean it’s a win/win.

[MHS831]

The solution, considering that we will not be drafting Ward or Sanders, is to draft a player like Ewers or Allar or Milroe in round 2. Only Ewers might be ready to start in 2025 if necessary--the others are developmental)  My preference? wait until rounds 3 or even 4 and draft a guy with tools who need to be coached up--Beck could be damaged goods who could use time to sit and watch and learn--Rourke is my favorite bargain basement QB whose skills match what we are doing.  Finally, we need a veteran backup who might want a shot at the starting gig.  Justin Fields comes to mind.  I think they wanted a mentor for Bryce, not a competitor, which is why Dalton was brought in.  Screw that--everyone competes--nothing is promised. 

I think Canales could do something with Fields.  If we had Fields, Young, and let's say Rourke on the roster, I would feel a bit better about the QB position. 

[*FreeFua*]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

The solution, considering that we will not be drafting Ward or Sanders, is to draft a player like Ewers or Allar or Milroe in round 2. Only Ewers might be ready to start in 2025 if necessary--the others are developmental)  My preference? wait until rounds 3 or even 4 and draft a guy with tools who need to be coached up--Beck could be damaged goods who could use time to sit and watch and learn--Rourke is my favorite bargain basement QB whose skills match what we are doing.  Finally, we need a veteran backup who might want a shot at the starting gig.  Justin Fields comes to mind.  I think they wanted a mentor for Bryce, not a competitor, which is why Dalton was brought in.  Screw that--everyone competes--nothing is promised. 

I think Canales could do something with Fields.  If we had Fields, Young, and let's say Rourke on the roster, I would feel a bit better about the QB position. 

Allar just announced that he’s going back to school

That class next year is going to be loaded

Manning, Nico, Nuss, Allar 

I wouldn’t waste a pick on a QB and just see this through for another year 

Ewers is most likely going back as well but he’s ass so don’t matter

Edited 5 hours ago by *FreeFua*

[KSpan]

56 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Three of the four were walk off FGs by Pineiro.  None of the four wins by more than 3 points.

This is really the biggest thing. At minimal points has the offense seemed elevated due to him at QB. When things were great across the board, he looked OK, even good from all reports. When things are not great, he has not shown little if any ability to elevate and overcome that. That is not where an NFL team should want to hang their hat, and competition should absolutely remain on the table.

[LinvilleGorge]

This will humble us a little bit... WOW. This team really thought they'd arrived and was totally feeling themselves because they had a couple of competitive losses against good teams. I mean... oh my god LOLOLOLOL 

[frankw]

1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

It’s the NFL,” Hunt said. “You got to come ready to play or get embarrassed. … Hopefully this week will humble us a little bit.”

We've gotten embarrassed multiple times this season. How many times does it need to happen for something to finally click? Sounds like we need to shake some things up across the roster IMO beginning with the most consequential position.

Edited 5 hours ago by frankw

[45catfan]

11 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Allar just announced that he’s going back to school

That class next year is going to be loaded

Manning, Nico, Nuss, Allar 

I wouldn’t waste a pick on a QB and just see this through for another year 

Ewers is most likely going back as well but he’s ass so don’t matter

PREACH!  Maybe someone else will be labeled "next year" guy.  Welcome to the club, lol!

[PNW_PantherMan]

The problem with "it's just one game", is there's a much bigger sample size of games like this.

[mav1234]

I'm down waiting until next year given our draft position but I still think we need a QB out of this draft, even if it's developmental in 3rd/4th. Someone young and hungry.

[Gapanthersfan]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This will humble us a little bit... WOW. This team really thought they'd arrived and was totally feeling themselves because they had a couple of competitive losses against good teams. I mean... oh my god LOLOLOLOL 

This. 

They needed a history lesson of outcomes against the Cowboys in the regular season, save for the thanksgiving beatdown. 

[Growl]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

I'm down waiting until next year given our draft position but I still think we need a QB out of this draft, even if it's developmental in 3rd/4th. Someone young and hungry.

Waste of a draft pick