Prime Cam Newton vs Current Josh Allen

[CanadianCat]

Just now, CRA said:

Time made Jake more beloved IMO than he was in real time.  

This made me laugh cause this is 100% true.. 

Jake was like a 24-32 ranked QB in the league. Like if you could upgrade you would. But he was also beloved because he was like 'your dad' playing QB.. 

I also only started watching the Panthers when he was the QB so he holds a lot of nostalgia for me.. but you are right.. lets not forget that when he was here we always wanted to move on from him. 

[CRA]

1 minute ago, CanadianCat said:

This made me laugh cause this is 100% true.. 

Jake was like a 24-32 ranked QB in the league. Like if you could upgrade you would. But he was also beloved because he was like 'your dad' playing QB.. 

I also only started watching the Panthers when he was the QB so he holds a lot of nostalgia for me.. but you are right.. lets not forget that when he was here we always wanted to move on from him. 

I frankly love Jake Delhomme.  But yeah, I love him today.  I love his story.  Loved he made the average dude think, hell....maybe.  I liked he gambled.  I liked pre Tommy Jone attitude. 

In real time?  I didn't love Jake.  I often screamed at him the moment he launched up a deep ball downfield because it was so often a poor decision that somehow would work out to 89 in triple coverage.  

There was a magic to Jake that is best appreciated after he was done playing.  Which I do.  But there is some revisionist history on how much the fanbase loved him in real time of his career. 

[Stingray3030]

14 hours ago, CRA said:

I frankly love Jake Delhomme.  But yeah, I love him today.  I love his story.  Loved he made the average dude think, hell....maybe.  I liked he gambled.  I liked pre Tommy Jone attitude. 

In real time?  I didn't love Jake.  I often screamed at him the moment he launched up a deep ball downfield because it was so often a poor decision that somehow would work out to 89 in triple coverage.  

There was a magic to Jake that is best appreciated after he was done playing.  Which I do.  But there is some revisionist history on how much the fanbase loved him in real time of his career. 

Jake was one of those 90's gun slinger QB's - those guys were always fun and frustrating QB's to watch.  Then you paired him with Steve Smith and the combo gave us the most electric passing game to watch in the history of the franchise.  Smitty elevated the love for Jake - without him I think the gun slinger frustration would have been much higher.  Jake's story and who he was just added to that appreciation for me.

The biggest difference in him and Cam to me (other than the obvious play style differences) was the expectations walking in the door.  Cam was the #1 overall pick.  From day 1 he was going to take over the NFL, be the next big thing, and be the best player in the league for a decade.....that was the expectation put on him.  Jake came in with no hype, no real pressure, just get Rodney Peete out of here and try not to screw it up.  When the game was on the line in 2011-2018 we all said "Cam has to go out there and make some plays and carry us home".  When it was 2003-2009 we all said "Smitty has to go out there and make some plays and carry us home".  

[Car123]

On 1/28/2025 at 10:58 AM, Stingray3030 said:

I will never understand why people don't get this.  Literally my point every single conversation about Cam.

Was Andrew Luck a below average passer?

Edited 11 hours ago by Car123

[Davidson Deac II]

23 hours ago, CanadianCat said:

This made me laugh cause this is 100% true.. 

Jake was like a 24-32 ranked QB in the league. Like if you could upgrade you would. But he was also beloved because he was like 'your dad' playing QB.. 

I also only started watching the Panthers when he was the QB so he holds a lot of nostalgia for me.. but you are right.. lets not forget that when he was here we always wanted to move on from him. 

Jake actually had a pretty good run from 03-05, when he was middle of the pack ratings wise.  His rating in 05 was top 10 in the NFL.  He fell off quickly after that, but John Fox just couldn't bring himself to admit it.