Would you trade Ickey

[BEASTfromdaEAST]

40 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

It all depends on the contract he wants or may ask for. The team can't afford to sink top tier LT money into Icky because he's not that guy. After signing 2 guards to big contracts, Moton's contract, a possible BC contract this off season, there's only so much left to pay him. If was all pro caliber like a Sewell or Slater, you don't hesitate. But he's not and it becomes a valid question. If the Jets or Jags came calling offering a 2nd rounder for Icky, do you take it? 

I'd say he's more suited to slide inside where his power would be better suited to hide his lateral mobility, but again, we already spent on 2 guards and you can't pay him tackle money to play inside. Ultimately, I think it comes down to how we can best allocate $$$ and put players in the best position to be successful. 

Love the arm chair GMs saying for years on here Ikey would be better inside. Based on what exactly? His laterally mobility? Lolol 

My point is pay talent and he is talented. People here didn't like Moton getting paid and talked about trading him when that went down and look how that turned out.

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 minutes ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

Love the arm chair GMs saying for years on here Ikey would be better inside. Based on what exactly? His laterally mobility? Lolol 

My point is pay talent and he is talented. People here didn't like Moton getting paid and talked about trading him when that went down and look how that turned out.

He has consistently had problems moving side to side on the edge and handling speed. His bread and butter coming out of college was his run blocking and power. Inside he'd have to deal with less speed trying to get around him and more power and size which play to his strengths better. Blocking a 260 lb edge rusher with speed is different than trying to block a 310lb DT who relies more on power. One tries to go around and the other has to fight through. 

Brian Burns is talented but he isn't worth what the Giants paid him. It all depends on the contract demands. If this franchise gives Icky top 3 LT money, it deserves another 5 3 win seasons. 

[Gapanthersfan]

24 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

It all depends on the contract he wants or may ask for. The team can't afford to sink top tier LT money into Icky because he's not that guy. After signing 2 guards to big contracts, Moton's contract, a possible BC contract this off season, there's only so much left to pay him. If was all pro caliber like a Sewell or Slater, you don't hesitate. But he's not and it becomes a valid question. If the Jets or Jags came calling offering a 2nd rounder for Icky, do you take it? 

I'd say he's more suited to slide inside where his power would be better suited to hide his lateral mobility, but again, we already spent on 2 guards and you can't pay him tackle money to play inside. Ultimately, I think it comes down to how we can best allocate $$$ and put players in the best position to be successful. 

I’m glad some people understand the point I’m trying to make. 

You sum it up perfectly. if he was that dude, then you back the brinks truck up in his driveway. But he’s not… And regardless of where you shift him on the line to better suit his ability, he has played LT for 3 years, and will rightfully want franchise LT money. There will be a team that will offer LT money that the Panthers just can’t responsibly match. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

18 minutes ago, Gapanthersfan said:

I’m glad some people understand the point I’m trying to make. 

You sum it up perfectly. if he was that dude, then you back the brinks truck up in his driveway. But he’s not… And regardless of where you shift him on the line to better suit his ability, he has played LT for 3 years, and will rightfully want franchise LT money. There will be a team that will offer LT money that the Panthers just can’t responsibly match. 

That's why I'm a firm believer that you draft IOL and you pay tackles. Starting caliber IOL are routinely found in rounds 2-4 and having them on a cheaper rookie salary gives you the flexibility to pay those premium edge spots that are much harder to find. At least 2 picks every draft should be devoted to the line between offense and defense line since roughly 20% of the team is devoted to those positions. 

[Proudiddy]

Yes.  I was actually excited about Ickey when we drafted him and I usually hate picking OLs in the first.  He had all the tools and build of a cornerstone, franchise LT.  I thought it was as close to a surefire hit as we could’ve made under the Fitterer years.  In hindsight, I think we honestly could’ve plugged a random UDFA at LT or had a revolving door there in the same amount of time since Ickey been here and had equal to better results.

[Gapanthersfan]

Had this team just put him in at guard from the beginning, we’d of ended up with a franchise guard and at least given Brady an honest shake at tackle. Now, they have a crossroads approaching on a guy who is well liked and talented, but lacking a skill that is crucial for the position he plays.

They need to draft a true run blocking franchise LT and see what they can get for Ickey. 

[mav1234]

Icky had a terrible game but has had a good overall season... So no.

[flagfootballcoach28]

Ickey is good enough to keep around. We have so many other holes to worry about. Let’s not go back to the Byron Bell, revolving door at LT days. 

[bandu]

if the Panthers traded Ickey at least we could finally start the best LT on the team Brady Christensen 

...just saying 

[ProcessBlue2]

4 hours ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

Love the arm chair GMs saying for years on here Ikey would be better inside. Based on what exactly? His laterally mobility? Lolol 

My point is pay talent and he is talented. People here didn't like Moton getting paid and talked about trading him when that went down and look how that turned out.

1) Comparing Moton to Ickey is an insult to Moton.

2) Ickey is slow for a LT and a lot of scouts had him pegged as a Guard during the combine.

3) You can't just "pay talent" -the salary cap exists. 

[BEASTfromdaEAST]

31 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

1) Comparing Moton to Ickey is an insult to Moton.

2) Ickey is slow for a LT and a lot of scouts had him pegged as a Guard during the combine.

3) You can't just "pay talent" -the salary cap exists. 

I can absolutely compare Moton to Ickey in the sense that over half this fan base didn't want him

The fact is we got into this situation because we continually trade away young talent and don't get anything in return.  That this fan base doesn't understand that is nauseating