Bryce May Not Be the Answer

[NAS]

6 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Okay well what else are you going to do with the money? You think it's asinine to build around your young #1 overall draft pick? I don't really understand what you're trying to say. If we surround Bryce with weapons and he fails wouldn't the team be set up for us to insert X Qb into X scenario? Why would we want a new QB to come in with 0 resources surrounding them. Your post just doesnt make sense to me.

Exactly 

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think Canales tailored his play calling around Bryce's strengths when he came back into the lineup and now we're seeing defenses adapt to that now that there's some film of it available. We'll see what he looks like over the final games.

It's not rocket science.

Take away the run, flood the zones within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage and ask him to make NFL level throws beyond that.

He can't. 

[45catfan]

Just now, jfra78 said:

I'm pretty sure Bryce isnt the answer, I've seen improvement but it still isn't much more than backup quality.  This isn't the draft to go get your guy, sign a vet let them have a true competition and fill in the holes on the roster through the draft.

^This.  And with a better roster and a 2nd year coaching staff he can't take a huge leap forward, we all will have our answer about Bryce. No more glimpses of improvement or small moral victories.  He's either going to be our Jackson, Mahomes or Allen or we need to start the search elsewhere in '26.  The Giants thought it was going to finally click with Jones too, but it didn't and most outsiders saw it too.  We had better not end up like the Giants.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

It's not rocket science.

Take away the run, flood the zones within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage and ask him to make NFL level throws beyond that.

He can't. 

Pretty much. Canales was doing a really good job adapting but there's only so much you can do schematically and with situational play calling when your QB is very limited and your overall offensive skill position talent is mediocre. If we can't run the ball down our opponents' throats with Chuba behind our OL we're cooked.

[CamWhoaaCam]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

mods, its time to do something

[MHS831]

36 minutes ago, NAS said:

Unless you have Andrew Luck or Cam Newton talent level in the draft, you take BPA and build the roster. Maybe sign another free agent to compete or draft a QB next year if he doesn’t improve but I believe he has shown that he is more than capable of being a starting QB and give you a chance to win. How quickly we forget what he did last few weeks

The worst thing you can do as a franchise is give up on him before his light comes on-people act like supporting bryce means "Bryce or bust" but it does not--he is an asset, and you keep bringing in people to compete.  I do not understand why people struggle with this concept.  We want to to succeed, but we should not put all eggs in one basket.  However, some folks are concrete, convergent thinkers--it must be black or white, on or off, all or nothing. 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by MHS831

[mav1234]

40 minutes ago, NAS said:

Unless you have Andrew Luck or Cam Newton talent level in the draft, you take BPA and build the roster. Maybe sign another free agent to compete or draft a QB next year if he doesn’t improve but I believe he has shown that he is more than capable of being a starting QB and give you a chance to win. How quickly we forget what he did last few weeks

I just don't agree with this. If there's a QB that Dave "QB Whisperer" Canales thinks is better than Bryce, you absolutely take him.

I don't forget what Bryce did the last few weeks. Nor do I forget what he did for his first season and however many games. And ultimately this is his second season and we're having to hang out hats on 3-5 decent to good games.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

The worst thing you can do as a franchise is give up on him before his light comes on-people act like supporting bryce means "Bryce or bust" but it does not--he is an asset, and you keep bringing in people to compete.  I do not understand why people struggle with this concept.  We want to to succeed, but we should not put all eggs in one basket.  However, some folks are concrete, convergent thinkers--it must be black or white, on or off, all or nothing. 

 

If Cam Ward is on the board when we're up you gotta take him. That's all I'm saying.

[45catfan]

8 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Okay well what else are you going to do with the money? You think it's asinine to build around your young #1 overall draft pick? I don't really understand what you're trying to say. If we surround Bryce with weapons and he fails wouldn't the team be set up for us to insert X Qb into X scenario? Why would we want a new QB to come in with 0 resources surrounding them. Your post just doesnt make sense to me.

I didn't say don't improve the roster, just don't go full '21 Rams.  The reason? Mortgaging the future to prop up a QB that likely still doesn't have what it takes to go on a SB run is dumb.  Bryce and #1 overall draft pick is a punchline now, btw.  If he was able to live up the the billing of #1 overall draft pick, this would be a different conversation, but it's not. He's got one more year to change his trajectory to franchise QB from the track of backup he's on currently.

[mav1234]

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

The worst thing you can do as a franchise is give up on him before his light comes on-people act like supporting bryce means "Bryce or bust" but it does not--he is an asset, and you keep bringing in people to compete.  I do not understand why people struggle with this concept.  We want to to succeed, but we should not put all eggs in one basket.  However, some folks are concrete, convergent thinkers--it must be black or white, on or off, all or nothing. 

 

QB is a position like any other. If an upgrade is available and it's the pick you think upgrades the team most... Go for it

[NAS]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

If Cam Ward is on the board when we're up you gotta take him. That's all I'm saying.

If Morgan and Canales honestly evaluate him as worthy that’s fine but I don’t see that happening at all

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, NAS said:

If Morgan and Canales honestly evaluate him as worthy that’s fine but I don’t see that happening at all

I don't either because I don't think he'll be there.

[mav1234]

2 minutes ago, NAS said:

If Morgan and Canales honestly evaluate him as worthy that’s fine but I don’t see that happening at all

That's fair, but all I'm saying is that Canales thinks Ward is that guy, go for it.

[frankw]

18 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I just don't agree with this. If there's a QB that Dave "QB Whisperer" Canales thinks is better than Bryce, you absolutely take him.

I don't forget what Bryce did the last few weeks. Nor do I forget what he did for his first season and however many games. And ultimately this is his second season and we're having to hang out hats on 3-5 decent to good games.

Indeed. It's very simple. If the draft plays out where the Panthers are up next and one of the top QB's are available Dan Morgan and Dave Canales cannot afford to say no thanks. It does not matter how Bryce Young plays over the next 3 games or what he did over the last few. The broader body of work is there for anyone to see.