Currently at pick #4

[Paa Langfart]

16 hours ago, Jmac said:

They will have to fiqure out if they can find a WR In FA.

I would rather have them pick up a proven commodity in FA anyway rather than throwing darts at their draft board.  I can only think of 3 all star type wr's this team has ever selected in the draft.  Moose,  Smitty and Moore.  Not a very promising track record.

[jfra78]

2 hours ago, Stingray3030 said:

I don't get the fascination for Tet - you can't just look at stats.  That guy doesn't move anything like Mike Evans or Courtland Sutton or Marques Colston.  And his stats are against a weak schedule - propped up by 1 game against a horrible defense where he had 4TD and 300yds.  Take that out and he had 4 TD's in 11 games.  The best asset of guys like that is red zone, so his TD numbers should be elevated but...  I don't see him as the #1 WR.  Burden is the #1 WR for me.

This is what I see, he looks dominant against weak competition but like a possession reciever against decent defenses

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I'm not either. Definitely nowhere near the talent of Harrison or Nabers from last year's draft. I don't think any WR should go in the top 10

Yes where would he drafted if he came out last year? If he's not a top 10 last year then he's not this year 

[tukafan21]

12 hours ago, Ricky Prickles said:

I would take Hunter but where do you play him? Easier to play both ways in college. I feel like he is going to have to pick a position in the NFL to focus on so he can work his best to try to be elite at one and then maybe sprinkle in a little of the other. DB would be my choice and worked into the offense at receiver a little bit would he be happy with that? Handy he said he wants to play both ways? If he means full time I don't see how that's possible. Lastly, would Deion allow him here without throwing a piss fit and infusing a ton of drama into the situation if we draft him. I think he is gonna be good but can he be happy with one position of focus and can Deion not meddle or hurt the situation before it even starts if he is drafted by us?

And this is all exactly why Hunter isn't even on my draft board.

I don't think he's going to be happy when a team won't let him play full time both sides of the ball.

And when that team plays him on defense and the offense is struggling, he's going to be even more of a diva because he's going to be upset that he's not getting offensive snaps.

Just avoid.

[tukafan21]

6 hours ago, Stingray3030 said:

I don't get the fascination for Tet - you can't just look at stats.  That guy doesn't move anything like Mike Evans or Courtland Sutton or Marques Colston.  And his stats are against a weak schedule - propped up by 1 game against a horrible defense where he had 4TD and 300yds.  Take that out and he had 4 TD's in 11 games.  The best asset of guys like that is red zone, so his TD numbers should be elevated but...  I don't see him as the #1 WR.  Burden is the #1 WR for me.

So... your argument is to not look at stats... and then talk about his stats?

First things first, his stats aren't propped up by one game.  Remove that one 300 yard game from his stats and he still had just over 1,000 yards on the season while still being 20th in the nation in yards, and of course then while playing one less game.  Hell, if he even "only" had 165 yards in his big game instead of 300, he still would have finished 3rd in the nation in yards without those extra 135 yards.

Remove Hunter's biggest game from his season and he drops just below 1,000 yards.  So to say T-Mac's stats are artificially inflated because of one big game is just inherently flawed from the start.

You also say his stats are against a weak schedule, but how about looking at last year when Arizona played 7 ranked teams and he had 1,400 yards and 10 TDs (including 688 and 5 in the games against the ranked teams).  He also did that last year while we had another WR who had 90 rec, 850 yds, and 13 TDs on that team.

Which again points back to what I've been saying all year for people who clearly haven't watched enough of his film from both this and last season.   

This team was a MESS, from every standpoint, the fact that he even put up the stats he did this year was ridiculous.  That mess was compounded by having no other offensive threats for the defense to pay any attention to and allowed them to double/triple cover T-Mac constantly.

Just your point of him being a redzone asset but not getting a lot of TDs shows how little you watched of him/Arizona this year, as we just weren't in the red zone all that often because we were a terrible team.  It also shows you don't know him best because again, as good as he is in the red zone (and yes he is great), what he's best at is as a downfield big play threat.  

Even beyond that, half the time when we were in the red zone, the defense wouldn't even hide it and just line up 2 DB's in front of him so they couldn't throw to him if they wanted to.  When they did put single coverage on him, it was usually a TD (see the UCF TD he had against someone I believe is a decently rated CB prospect, the guy got a PI flag and T-Mac still tipped the ball to himself and caught it for a TD).

That you don't think he moves like those other guys you listed is also comical.  He's more smooth, fluid, agile, etc, than Mike Evans (Evans is bigger/stronger than him, but T-Mac is more of an athlete than him).  

Even Colston and Sutton, he's faster than those guys as well.  All 3 of them ran the 40 at the combine OVER 4.5 seconds, when T-Mac runs it sub 4.5 (as he will), are people still going to keep saying this nonsense that he isn't fast enough for them?

When people say this kinda stuff about him not moving well, it's just a clear cut sign that they haven't watched him play enough.  He's regularly used in the screen and short crossing route game just to get the ball in his hands and let him get YAC.

He was 5th in the Big 12 in YAC this year, not bad for a possession WR who doesn't have enough speed or agility to his game like people here love to say about him.

[Johnstonny]

I'f we at 4....we better get a slob that can eat up the line on D...but morgan might overpay for someone who might be able to play the following year.

[No Maam]

This draft is strong for us.. We need a lot of front 7 help and a youth injection and this draft is front 7 and defensively strong.. I’ll be happy with Graham, Carter, Perce JR any of the top 15 pass rusher/ LB/ DT in this draft will be good for us…

[CarolinaLivin]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

So... your argument is to not look at stats... and then talk about his stats?

First things first, his stats aren't propped up by one game.  Remove that one 300 yard game from his stats and he still had just over 1,000 yards on the season while still being 20th in the nation in yards, and of course then while playing one less game.  Hell, if he even "only" had 165 yards in his big game instead of 300, he still would have finished 3rd in the nation in yards without those extra 135 yards.

Remove Hunter's biggest game from his season and he drops just below 1,000 yards.  So to say T-Mac's stats are artificially inflated because of one big game is just inherently flawed from the start.

You also say his stats are against a weak schedule, but how about looking at last year when Arizona played 7 ranked teams and he had 1,400 yards and 10 TDs (including 688 and 5 in the games against the ranked teams).  He also did that last year while we had another WR who had 90 rec, 850 yds, and 13 TDs on that team.

Which again points back to what I've been saying all year for people who clearly haven't watched enough of his film from both this and last season.   

This team was a MESS, from every standpoint, the fact that he even put up the stats he did this year was ridiculous.  That mess was compounded by having no other offensive threats for the defense to pay any attention to and allowed them to double/triple cover T-Mac constantly.

Just your point of him being a redzone asset but not getting a lot of TDs shows how little you watched of him/Arizona this year, as we just weren't in the red zone all that often because we were a terrible team.  It also shows you don't know him best because again, as good as he is in the red zone (and yes he is great), what he's best at is as a downfield big play threat.  

Even beyond that, half the time when we were in the red zone, the defense wouldn't even hide it and just line up 2 DB's in front of him so they couldn't throw to him if they wanted to.  When they did put single coverage on him, it was usually a TD (see the UCF TD he had against someone I believe is a decently rated CB prospect, the guy got a PI flag and T-Mac still tipped the ball to himself and caught it for a TD).

That you don't think he moves like those other guys you listed is also comical.  He's more smooth, fluid, agile, etc, than Mike Evans (Evans is bigger/stronger than him, but T-Mac is more of an athlete than him).  

Even Colston and Sutton, he's faster than those guys as well.  All 3 of them ran the 40 at the combine OVER 4.5 seconds, when T-Mac runs it sub 4.5 (as he will), are people still going to keep saying this nonsense that he isn't fast enough for them?

When people say this kinda stuff about him not moving well, it's just a clear cut sign that they haven't watched him play enough.  He's regularly used in the screen and short crossing route game just to get the ball in his hands and let him get YAC.

He was 5th in the Big 12 in YAC this year, not bad for a possession WR who doesn't have enough speed or agility to his game like people here love to say about him.

That boy snapped lol

[tukafan21]

34 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

That boy snapped lol

I mean, I'm fine when people want to have differing opinions about a player and their potential.  But when your arguments against one player are just nonsense that don't align with who they are, then yea, I'm going to call it out.

It's so comical for someone to literally say, "you need to look beyond the stats" and then talk the player down because of his... checks notes... "lack of stats outside of one big game" despite that also, just factually being incorrect for a number of reasons.  The guy has 174 rec, 2,700 yds and 18 TDs over the last two seasons, but sure, his stats are inflated because of one or two big games, LOL (and that's ignoring his 700 yards and 8 TDs as a Freshman too).

Then to talk about him as a possession WR who lacks speed or agility, again, comical.  Most "expert breakdowns" of his game specifically talk about how someone his size shouldn't be able to move like he does.

No... he's not going to move like Jefferson, Chase, Nabers, etc... because he's not 6' tall and a speedster type of player like those guys are.   But those guys also don't have the catch radius that T-Mac has, given that he is 5" taller and a better leaper than those guys as well.

It would be like Bucs fans complaining that Evans can't do the things they do while ignoring the things that Evans does that they can't.  It's all a trade off, you might not get certain things out of T-Mac that those others would provide, but you're going to get things from him that they just can't do because of the size difference.  

Hell, I have less of an issue with people saying they don't see him as a #1 WR (even though he is), because everyone is entitled to their opinion of what they see.  But when you start to spout off things that prove you clearly haven't watched near enough of his tape (if any at all), then yea, I'm going to call it out for the nonsense that it is.

Edited 2 hours ago by tukafan21

[CamWhoaaCam]

Tuka defending Tmac will always be hilarious. That guy loves Tmac more than I love Colorado.

[CamWhoaaCam]

3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I mean, I'm fine when people want to have differing opinions about a player and their potential.  But when your arguments against one player are just nonsense that don't align with who they are, then yea, I'm going to call it out.

It's so comical for someone to literally say, "you need to look beyond the stats" and then talk the player down because of his... checks notes... "lack of stats outside of one big game" despite that also, just factually being incorrect for a number of reasons.

Then to talk about him as a possession WR who lacks speed or agility, again, comical.  Most "expert breakdowns" of his game specifically talk about how someone his size shouldn't be able to move like he does.

No... he's not going to move like Jefferson, Chase, Nabers, etc... because he's not 6' tall and a speedster type of player like those guys are.   But those guys also don't have the catch radius that T-Mac has, given that he is 5" taller and a better leaper than those guys as well.

It would be like Bucs fans complaining that Evans can't do the things they do while ignoring the things that Evans does that they can't.  It's all a trade off, you might not get certain things out of T-Mac that those others would provide, but you're going to get things from him that they just can't do because of the size difference.  

Hell, I have less of an issue with people saying they don't see him as a #1 WR (even though he is), because everyone is entitled to their opinion of what they see.  But when you start to spout off things that prove you clearly haven't watched near enough of his tape (if any at all), then yea, I'm going to call it out for the nonsense that it is.

Let Him Cook!

[KaijuGato]

Legit question here, what are the thoughts on Will Johnson paired with Horn to have a no fly zone CB situation? Johnson still has a high draft grade even with missing significant time this year. 

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Tuka defending Tmac will always be hilarious. That guy loves Tmac more than I love Colorado.

Tell me one point I'm wrong about in all of that?

And yea, if you love Colorado, a school/players you have zero connection to, more than I love maybe the best player in school history, from the school I graduated from, then it would be a really bad sign for you, not me, lol

The fact that my NFL team could be in a position to draft that player and is at a position of need for them as well, yea... I'm going to defend him at any and every opportunity.

It's not often the best player in your school's history might get drafted by your favorite NFL team.

Edited 2 hours ago by tukafan21

[CarolinaLivin]

1 minute ago, KaijuGato said:

Legit question here, what are the thoughts on Will Johnson paired with Horn to have a no fly zone CB situation? Johnson still has a high draft grade even with missing significant time this year. 

Don’t like it when i think they gotta cover for damn near 4 sec. If we don’t get this DL right. If we went will johnson in first we would need the draft to playout in our favor and have some of them DL prospects fall.