Not sure about Abdul Carter just yet...

[kungfoodude]

On 12/12/2024 at 8:30 AM, CarolinaRideorDie said:

I love reading up on draft prospects and reviewing mock drafts for fun. From what I gather is that Carter is physically gifted but really raw. Compared to previous drafts, this year's pass rushing class is not really deep. Carter is the best of the rest. Mason Graham seems to have a higher floor and he can also provide pass rush with a stellar run defense game, which we desperately need. I think there are very few blue chip players in this draft. 

That's not really true. It's a deep class of pass rushers but it has zero elite talent. So you can probably get a Carter level player in the 2nd or 3rd.

[PanthersNCSU]

On 12/13/2024 at 6:20 PM, No Maam said:

Wait how is getting an edge rusher/off ball LB a luxury pick?? Don’t we need those positions??

The position isn't a luxury, but what is he? If we don't know, and hope we figure the position out, that's what I called a "luxury" pick. 

I said if we're sold on his role, then it makes sense. 

[flagfootballcoach28]

I pray we don’t draft Carter. 

[No Maam]

On 12/16/2024 at 11:33 AM, PanthersNCSU said:

The position isn't a luxury, but what is he? If we don't know, and hope we figure the position out, that's what I called a "luxury" pick. 

I said if we're sold on his role, then it makes sense. 

If anything he looks like a better Version of Luvu.. Jmo we could use that type of player..

[Shocker]

On 12/16/2024 at 11:03 PM, flagfootballcoach28 said:

I pray we don’t draft Carter. 

If we don’t he will turn into another Parsons.  Talent is obvious but they will have to decide his drive to be great.

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, Shocker said:

If we don’t he will turn into another Parsons.  Talent is obvious but they will have to decide his drive to be great.

This^

[kungfoodude]

16 minutes ago, Shocker said:

If we don’t he will turn into another Parsons.  Talent is obvious but they will have to decide his drive to be great.

If we do he will be another Everette Brown.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

If we do he will be another Everette Brown.

They can't afford to wiff on defensive players in the draft. No more Brown and Burns types around here. We need a Bosa or Hutchinson type maulers. No more ballerinas.

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

They can't afford to wiff on defensive players in the draft. No more Brown and Burns types around here. We need a Bosa or Hutchinson type maulers. No more ballerinas.

Those guys don't appear to be present in this draft, on paper.

Frankly, at this rate just give me someone that is an good, long term starter if we go defense. 

I just have a lot of concerns about Carter. He doesn't really impress me any more than some of the other pass rushing options available, which I largely think are limited ceiling guys. Not bad players but I don't see anyone that looks like a high probability of being an elite pass rusher.

Given that this draft is short on elite talent, if I could guarantee Carter being a 8-10 year Mike Rucker level production guy, sign me up.

[Shocker]

Jalon Walker may be a nice alternative 

[Jon Snow]

12 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Jalon Walker may be a nice alternative 

Can we have both?

[No Maam]

Carter does have versatility as well being able to lay MLB and edge.. So that is a plus..

[CanadianCat]

I am 100% ok with a trade back this year

[Savage Seth]

On 12/12/2024 at 4:52 AM, blueandblackattack said:

Was looking at what players are getting mocked to us at the moment, and the most common one is Abdul Carter from Penn State. I know we still got 4 more games to determine where we actually draft, but doesn't hurt to get a jump on the top players.

Now to preface this, I read reports that the reason why he hasn't played edge until this season is because he and his father were both ADAMANT from day 1 that he was a stand up linebacker, no if's or buts about it.

So, what made him change his mind finally this season? Here's his answer:

Now, I know most people will probably say "gotta get that money, can't blame a guy for that", and I agree to an extent, but after watching a few interviews and his tape, he seems to be solely motivated by money, and if he was real about football and the craft of it, then he would've been team-first and been an edge this whole time imho. When he talks about football in other interviews, he is terrible at breaking down the game or his play at press conferences. He's so raw he could be turned into sashimi by the time he gets on the field.

I'm getting major Isaiah Simmons bust-vibes from him. But like I said, it's super early, but just wanted to see your thoughts on a player like this and that kinda mentality and headspace.

 

 

 I don’t feel he has enough pass rush moves nor enough quickness to react and always  tackle nfl caliber athletes in open space, and we saw how that capped out with a similar style in Brian Burns barely eclipsing 10 sacks if he’s lucky. But if we want to continue recruiting homegrown talent, I watched just as much of James Pearce Jr.’s tape, coming away very impressed. He plays stronger than he’s listed with a capability to keep the tackles from locking him up with his wingspan and strength, and then can shift into a ridiculously fast first step in another direction getting by in no time. And those are plays where he’s playing both the run and pass possibilities. On passing downs I’ve seen insane plays of him jumping the snap just as fast as the highlights of Abdul Carter, and this included a multi-sack game against Alabama against high caliber talent. Even though he needs to put on some mass, he low key looked a lot tougher against the run than Abdul Carter as well. I think he’s like 20 going on 21 too? Trade back a few spots if one of the top QBs are on the board and draft James. Then use the extra pick to draft dt help in addition to another edge/secondary help or dt mauler with the pick you got from the rams. Let’s make this defense scurrry again