Not sure how being bottom 10 in passing justifies so much confidence..

[mav1234]

9 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Bryce needs to give his WRs a chance on the deep sideline passes. Other than that, I really don't see what else he NEEDs to do better or more consistently. He's making every throw except the aforementioned. He's throwing on time and on spot. He's throwing receivers open most of the time. He's making good decisions. He's stepping up in the pocket with his eyes downfield. He's escaping the pocket and making plays when the protection breaks down. And he's doing it all very consistently. You can't judge a QB in a vacuum with statistics. He can only control what he can control. He can't make the OC call a play that works against the defense. He can't make the Center give a good snap, or the Oline block, or the receiver run a good route, or the receiver catch the ball, or the receiver run with the ball after he catches it. 

Look around the league. When you watch other games, where would you rank the Panthers receivers on making contested catches that hit them in both hands, and/or run after catch? I know I watch other games (usually split screen for the 1:00pm games and 4:00pm games) and see that every team has a guy or 2 out there that looks like he's ready to take it to the house after every catch. Every team has a guy or 2 out there catching the ball with defenders in tight coverage. Panthers get that occassionally - mostly Thielen. But no one is out there running after the catch. No one. Even running backs are taking screens to the house in other games. That's huge for stats and it's makes a QB's job easier. Bryce's passing yards are basically where the receivers catch the ball. When you complete 20+ passes and nobody breaks one, that's a lot of pressure. 

Bryce was horrible overall last season and the first 2 games this season. He deserved to be benched. He was playing like a scared puppy out there. It was embarrassing for him and the team. I called him trash after the second game. But he's always been a threat in a close game with 2 minutes on the clock. Even last year. And he's actually taken a step forward in that department this season. But again, he can only control what he can control. 

Wins and losses are a team stat. Not a QB stat. 

 

Overall he's shown huge strides. And I think he has shown he can make almost every throw he needs to, but some need to be done with more consistency and placement. Bryce is missing guys very deep in a general sense; sometimes they manage to get to the ball anyway, sometimes they drop it. Some of that is just the experience together. He also has times where his footwork is terrible, but it's so much better than earlier in the season. Last game, either he or Canales was not getting the offense to the line fast enough (this is hard to be sure of), which I think reflects the inexperience of both. Fwiw, we do have YAC guys in Coker and Sanders... Just need to get them on the field again.

[MasterAwesome]

2 hours ago, frankw said:

While I am sympathetic O'Connell was injured and wish him well he was having a dreadful game and his future is competing for a backup job around the league at best. You can rabble about narratives all you like. I'm expecting our #1 pick to ascend much higher than the likes of that.

Yeah the issue is your incessant need to sensationalize everything.  Why can't you just say you have higher standards for our QB, instead of "Bryce is on par with the guy who was just BENCHED against Tampa Bay for being so awful!!!" which was just a lie.

It's ironic that the broader conversation here is around people who just point to stats/box scores without actually watching the game or putting it in context of how Bryce actually looked on the field...and then you literally just did that egregiously for Aidan O'Connell lol.  You've perfectly exemplified why it's silly to make assumptions entirely from a box score.

[frankw]

1 hour ago, MasterAwesome said:

Yeah the issue is your incessant need to sensationalize everything.  Why can't you just say you have higher standards for our QB, instead of "Bryce is on par with the guy who was just BENCHED against Tampa Bay for being so awful!!!" which was just a lie.

It's ironic that the broader conversation here is around people who just point to stats/box scores without actually watching the game or putting it in context of how Bryce actually looked on the field...and then you literally just did that egregiously for Aidan O'Connell lol.  You've perfectly exemplified why it's silly to make assumptions entirely from a box score.

Nothing changes the fact O'Connell is and has been a backup at best and he was playing poorly before the injury. Our first overall pick should be head and shoulders above him and Andy Dalton but as it stands his improvement puts him right there  sandwiched between the two of them. And clearly you can't handle that as only one of us here is furiously typing up angry rebuttals. And this is your second since 1 am. Maybe take a deep breath and stop creating perceived enemies all over the place here because they don't see eye to eye with you on every detail.

Edited 1 hour ago by frankw

[Icege]

O'Connell's stat line for his four starts this season:

• Team PPG: 14.5
• Pass YPG: 180.5
• TD-INT: 3-2
• Passer RTG: 80.3
• Sacks/Game: 2.5

That is a lot of bending over backwards taking place to try and justify the hatred for BY9. Aidan O'Connell? Come on now. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Icege

[rayzor]

Just now, Icege said:

O'Connell's stat line for his four starts this season 2024:

• Team PPG: 14.5
• Pass YPG: 180.5
• TD-INT: 3-2
• Passer RTG: 80.3
• Sacks/Game: 2.5

you see....bryce is just barely better than that. 

[Icege]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

you see....bryce is just barely better than that. 

Look, I can't say anything about O'Connell since I've got him on my MUT (and he had a 90 ranking!)... but the stretching taking place had me wondering if this was a yoga board.

[frankw]

Here's his numbers before the injury.

All this huffing and puffing over this???? lol. I've got a real nice bridge to sell anyone who doesn't think he was on his way to getting benched even if he didn't get injured. That is horrendous.

[Stingray3030]

Imagine watching your 2nd year QB drive 99 yards trying to put together a game winning drive with multiple scrambles and 3rd down creative plays, only to have his #1 WR drop the potentially game winning TD on a gorgeous throw right on the money to not quite get there on the road against a SB contender.  Then waking up and deciding to start a thread about how we are all getting too excited - this is only the 3rd game in a row against 2 Superbowl contenders where this similar scenario played out.  Crazy world

[LilBryce]

10 minutes ago, Stingray3030 said:

Imagine watching your 2nd year QB drive 99 yards trying to put together a game winning drive with multiple scrambles and 3rd down creative plays, only to have his #1 WR drop the potentially game winning TD on a gorgeous throw right on the money to not quite get there on the road against a SB contender.  Then waking up and deciding to start a thread about how we are all getting too excited - this is only the 3rd game in a row against 2 Superbowl contenders where this similar scenario played out.  Crazy world

Bryce was 108 yd. 1 TD 1 INT entering 4Q and we had the lead @ top NFC team .. this narrative that Bryce needs more help is pathetic ..

Our QB was doing next to nothing and we were leading @ PHI late .. testament to how strong the team is outside of QB

[LilBryce]

It shouldn't have came down to a final drive .. we should have been blowing the doors off PHI .. and TB for that matter .. we held TB to 13 pt. through 3 quarters

[rayzor]

5 minutes ago, LilBryce said:

Bryce was 108 yd. 1 TD 1 INT entering 4Q and we had the lead @ top NFC team .. this narrative that Bryce needs more help is pathetic ..

Our QB was doing next to nothing and we were leading @ PHI late .. testament to how strong the team is outside of QB

lol bye again

[mav1234]

3 minutes ago, LilBryce said:

Bryce was 108 yd. 1 TD 1 INT entering 4Q and we had the lead @ top NFC team .. this narrative that Bryce needs more help is pathetic ..

Our QB was doing next to nothing and we were leading @ PHI late .. testament to how strong the team is outside of QB

You might want to check how most QBs ultimately do vs Philly. They are a very good defense. Bryce had some clutch 3rd/4th down passes and tho he had his worst game recently he still had us a dropped pass away from winning.

[MartyClemons]

I just don’t see the point in this. We’re not currently in position to draft another QB anyway so why waste time dooming and glooming when our QB has been showing progress 

[rayzor]

7 minutes ago, MartyClemons said:

I just don’t see the point in this. We’re not currently in position to draft another QB anyway so why waste time dooming and glooming when our QB has been showing progress 

i think most are figuring this out. the rest will be dragging their heels all the way to the playoffs next year when bryce is lighting up everyone.