1st rd pick

[MHS831]

16 hours ago, ColumbusCounty said:

Who was the receiver we had that used to body catch almost exclusively if he wasnt dropping the ball his first season... was it Samuel? And he ended up buying a Juggs machine in the offseason. Iirc, by the time his contract was up here he ended up being one the most clutch receivers, if not the top, on 3rd downs. 

XL needs work but I've seen enough of his strong catches in college to be optimistic for potential. 

That said, WR is definitely on the list of needs. If you can contain Adam Thielen we're almost at checkmate. 

On paper ..next year AT, Coker and XL will not be enough IMO. Even if the rookies are improved next season we'd still need another reliable vet and a swing at WR in the draft. 

I think it was Samuel.  Legette is raw--there is a reason he did not play much until injuries and graduations gave him his shot.  His situation is mental, but he needs experience on the jugs machine and he needs a run of sustained success to get him over the hump--otherwise, he has the tools and he is a stud.

I am not as worried about a rookie WR struggling at the end of 17 game season as I would be a second-year guy.  

Mushin Muhammad had 52 catches for 724 yards and 1 TD--in his first 2 seasons.  I recall there being some concern about his hands, and he seemed to improve. 

 

[Mage]

Look at the 3rd play by Moss in this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2nImaSkXME&ab_channel=NFL

So sure, did Moss sometimes body-catch?  Yeah.  But he also used his hands extremely well.  That is why I don't get why he's being brought up.  Legette almost exclusively body-catches, it isn't the same thing.  

Ultimately every WR is going to have to body-catch at some point.  It happens.  But you also have to be able to go up and get it with your hands.  Moss could do that when he needed to.  Legette hasn't shown that he can.

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, Mage said:

Look at the 3rd play by Moss in this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2nImaSkXME&ab_channel=NFL

So sure, did Moss sometimes body-catch?  Yeah.  But he also used his hands extremely well.  That is why I don't get why he's being brought up.  Legette almost exclusively body-catches, it isn't the same thing.  

Ultimately every WR is going to have to body-catch at some point.  It happens.  But you also have to be able to go up and get it with your hands.  Moss could do that when he needed to.  Legette hasn't shown that he can.

Very true....if you are using your body to protect the ball, or if the defender might "karate chop" your extended arm, it is sometimes better to let the ball into your body instead of reaching out for it. 

REASON FOR HOPE

Note in this graphic, Legette is 8th, and all the WRs / TEs drafted before him are the only player who have more yards--and they all have been targeted more except Worthy, who has just 16 more yards and Mahomes as his QB.  Furthermore, Coker's numbers are based on 7 games.  If he played 13 at the same level, he woudl be the seventh highest rated rookie WR with fewer targets that all of the top 10 WRs.  Finally, Ja 'Tavion Sanders is rated 12th. So of the top 14 ROOKIE WRs and TEs, three (3) are Panthers. 

[unicar15]

McMillan gives me Mike Evans vibes. I know the panthers have been using draft capital like crazy on receivers and they need someone like Graham or Carter. But that WR is gonna be tough to pass on. 

[jamos14]

1 minute ago, unicar15 said:

McMillan gives me Mike Evans vibes. I know the panthers have been using draft capital like crazy on receivers and they need someone like Graham or Carter. But that WR is gonna be tough to pass on. 

Exactly what I think.  He is Mike Evans.    Or a more athletic Drake London.

6'5, 215, 4.5 40.   Physical hands catcher.  Perfect X receiver.  

 

 

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, jamos14 said:

Exactly what I think.  He is Mike Evans.    Or a more athletic Drake London.

6'5, 215, 4.5 40.   Physical hands catcher.  Perfect X receiver.  

 

 

 WR in this draft is weird--not like last year--and I think The draft starts at pick #4 (the first three picks are fairly locked in--Giants and Raiders are going QB) and whomever is picking third will take Hunter--So that, in my mind in December, leaves TMcM (WR) and Graham (DT).  I would be happy with either, but the drop off at DT into the second round is not as steep as it is at WR, especially starting #1, X WRs.  I take TMcM and draft an edge in round 2--DT in round 3....

Edited December 9 by MHS831

[Tr3ach]

5 hours ago, MHS831 said:

In my case, it was insecurity.  You have to trust your hands.  It can be overcome with reps.

I hope you're right but I'm not as confident.  If he was a young inexperienced player, I would agree but after 5 years of playing in college it's hard to expect players to make major changes in my opinion. 

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, Tr3ach said:

I hope you're right but I'm not as confident.  If he was a young inexperienced player, I would agree but after 5 years of playing in college it's hard to expect players to make major changes in my opinion. 

I think it is a combination of both.  He is a physical specimen, no doubt, but he is also rather innocent and perhaps mentally frail, in my guesstimate based on what I have seen from him.  He is not polished.  He is not confident.  He played 5 years but saw the field 1, based on what I recall. That is why I did not want to draft him, but he is a Panther and I wish him the best.  It gets in your head when you drop one ball--but he dropped 3 and lost the team the game.  Man.  You have to put it behind you, because if you don't, you will be behind the guy behind you.