1st rd pick

[WhoKnows]

11 hours ago, Tr3ach said:

XL is 3 or 4 years older than Moss was when he was drafted.

2 years older but a valid point. XL is almost 24 here in his rookie year, not the age you should be working on fundamentals. Most young studs who go into the draft after their 3 college seasons are in year 3 at 24. They’ve already been molded.

We tend to draft projects, older players and injured players and unfortunately we draft them where they’d go if they worked out. Sometimes we draft a player in 2 of those 3 categories.

Here’s to hoping he turns it around fast because after this draft, we were supposed to have our future #1 WR and RB. We even got a nice surprise in Coker and in Thielen looking like he has plenty of gas in the tank and here we are talking about using our high 1st round pick on yet another WR and I’ve seen people suggesting a 4th on another RB, which was a very wise call for the teams who waited in this past draft to take a RB in the 4th.

Edited December 9 by WhoKnows

[PantherChris]

12 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

If we get Hunter I'm gonna go streaking naked at the Panthers home opener next season. 

I've changed my mind I think he's a WR at the NFL level now... 

[jamos14]

It's still BPA.

My preference:  

 

Tet McMillan, WR Arizona

Abdul Carter, EDGE Penn St

Travis Hunter, CB/WR Colorado

Will Johnson, CB Michigan

MyKel Williams, EDGE Georgia

 

[Htarnation4.0]

9 minutes ago, jamos14 said:

It's still BPA.

My preference:  

 

Tet McMillan, WR Arizona

Abdul Carter, EDGE Penn St

Travis Hunter, CB/WR Colorado

Will Johnson, CB Michigan

MyKel Williams, EDGE Georgia

 

We likely end of with one of those. I really like your top 2

[ImfromClayton]

10 minutes ago, jamos14 said:

It's still BPA.

My preference:  

 

Tet McMillan, WR Arizona

Abdul Carter, EDGE Penn St

Travis Hunter, CB/WR Colorado

Will Johnson, CB Michigan

MyKel Williams, EDGE Georgia

 

Couldn't agree more. We have to take BPA. I'm not as high on the edge players as you are, but that's fine, we all have opinions. I think your list is the pool of players that we are choosing from. I am of the opinion that we will win a couple of games, which is going to drop us in the 7-10 range. 

[jamos14]

5 minutes ago, ImfromClayton said:

Couldn't agree more. We have to take BPA. I'm not as high on the edge players as you are, but that's fine, we all have opinions. I think your list is the pool of players that we are choosing from. I am of the opinion that we will win a couple of games, which is going to drop us in the 7-10 range. 

Obviously, I want to win.   

 

But there is a big part that doesn't want to miss out on Tet.  He isn't at the level of Chase but the guy is worth a top 10 pick and would be a game changer.  Mike Evans type player

[Gapanthersfan]

Luke was BPA at a time when we already had Beason and Thomas Davis. Certainly not a need pick. 

When you go BPA, you are far more likely to get a true day 1 starter with all pro potential. Draft for need is almost always a reach. How have reaches worked out for this team up to this point? 

[Mage]

12 hours ago, Shocker said:

Randy Moss was body catching all the time.  XL needs time and work.  He is just raw.  I think he is a #3 guy but he still has upside.

He wasn't "body catching all the time."  And even if so, Moss is a completely different kind of WR.  

Legette having bad hands damn near negates the kind of WR he is supposed to be.  A big, strong, go up and get it physical WR.  It is hard to be that when you have bad hands.

If you want to compare him to a HOF WR with bad hands, then the best comp would be Terrell Owens.  But TO was a freak athlete and one of the few exceptions of a great #1 not having reliable hands.  And maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see Legette ever playing with the kind of intensity that TO has.  This isn't me slandering Legette as a person because he seems to be a great guy, but I'm not sure he's got that #1 WR dawg mentality in him.  I'd love to be wrong about that though.

[Tr3ach]

49 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

2 years older but a valid point. XL is almost 24 here in his rookie year, not the age you should be working on fundamentals. Most young studs who go into the draft after their 3 college seasons are in year 3 at 24. They’ve already been molded.

We tend to draft projects, older players and injured players and unfortunately we draft them where they’d go if they worked out. Sometimes we draft a player in 2 of those 3 categories.

Here’s to hoping he turns it around fast because after this draft, we were supposed to have our future #1 WR and RB. We even got a nice surprise in Coker and in Thielen looking like he has plenty of gas in the tank and here we are talking about using our high 1st round pick on yet another WR and I’ve seen people suggesting a 4th on another RB, which was a very wise call for the teams who waited in this past draft to take a RB in the 4th.

Yea i just will never understand the combination of chasing players who are both older and projects.  You take one or the other, if they are both then that should be an immediate red flag.

[MHS831]

Between 2013-2015 Ted Ginn had a 12.1% drop rate...To put that into perspective, going into Sunday's game, Legette had a drop rate of 6.8%--the eighth worst in the league.  I imagine it is over 8% after Sunday.

I can tell you that WRs like baseball hitters and kickers go through slumps.  It is very mental. 

Legette body catches--as opposed to reaching towards the ball and bringing it in.  Body catches are not clean catches--they must be secured after they are cradled-Legette's first drop is a demonstration of why they are not good.  The other issues are fixable.  The TD that was dropped was because he took a hand off the ball and tried to tuck it as he was going to the ground.  Never take the second hand off the ball when going to the ground.

He will be OK--needs an offseason of catching jugs bullets in his entire radius, facing the machine, back to the machine, sides, etc.  He needs to practice catching passes on the run and he needs people hitting him with hand shields as the ball is approaching.  He needs confidence, and he seems to have lost it.

Considering the market for free agent WRs and how unlikely a top one would want to come to Charlotte,  And when I consider the draft, I think we would be smart to draft a WR in the first round.  I think we need to use the rest of the draft on defense--but I would not be opposed to drafting a TE.

 

[Shocker]

19 minutes ago, Mage said:

He wasn't "body catching all the time."  And even if so, Moss is a completely different kind of WR.  

Legette having bad hands damn near negates the kind of WR he is supposed to be.  A big, strong, go up and get it physical WR.  It is hard to be that when you have bad hands.

If you want to compare him to a HOF WR with bad hands, then the best comp would be Terrell Owens.  But TO was a freak athlete and one of the few exceptions of a great #1 not having reliable hands.  And maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see Legette ever playing with the kind of intensity that TO has.  This isn't me slandering Legette as a person because he seems to be a great guy, but I'm not sure he's got that #1 WR dawg mentality in him.  I'd love to be wrong about that though.

Randy Moss was absolutely body catching.  He admitted as much and said “it’s different now with hands catching”. Back then you just don’t let it hit the ground”.  I mean you are wrong.  Also, if you can read for comprehension I said Moss also body caught.  There was no comparison in those comments past that so stop trying to build a false dilemma to start your argument.  

[MHS831]

16 hours ago, Tbe said:

First time I’ve ever heard that. 

In college, we worked on them all the time--some is raw, god-given ability, but a lot of it is muscle memory and practice.  We had some guys come in who were terrible and they never became good, but they improved. 

The main thing I noticed, and the thing that matters most, is how cocky are you in a game on a full sprint with the ball heading toward you as you know a safety is looking to take your head off (I am old school).  I am not sure where that comes from, but if you drop three of those in one game, it is pretty devastating.  If you catch them, you feel that you are unstoppable.  It is a mindset, for sure.

[MHS831]

16 hours ago, Tbe said:

Body catching is genetic?

In my case, it was insecurity.  You have to trust your hands.  It can be overcome with reps.

[Mage]

9 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Randy Moss was absolutely body catching.  He admitted as much and said “it’s different now with hands catching”. Back then you just don’t let it hit the ground”.  I mean you are wrong.  Also, if you can read for comprehension I said Moss also body caught.  There was no comparison in those comments past that so stop trying to build a false dilemma to start your argument.  

False dilemma?  Huh?

No where in my post did I say Randy Moss didn't ever body catch, so maybe it is your reading comprehension that needs work rather than mine.  I said it wasn't true that he body caught all the time, which is what you said.  Like, you have heard, "you got Mossed", right?  They don't say that for body catches.  If Legette was pulling stuff like that out, then I would be perfectly fine with Legette body catching on other plays.

Edited December 9 by Mage