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Legette is horrendous

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He's a very raw prospect. The team knew that when they drafted him. He will get better as time passes. The fact he is getting open fairly consistently is a good sign. The lack of raw explosion that we saw on film in college is certainly a concern, but I think that will pop back up when he grows within his role. He will be a very good WR2 when he puts it all together. 

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15 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

Yeah when a guy's reaching out like that, it's not in the bread basket so it's not super easy. But a first-round pick worth a damn hauls it in and keeps it. Legette didn't let it fall out of his grasp, which, pathetically, is progress -- but he didn't finish the play.

Where I disagree with this argument is that Legette didn't need to reach out the way he did.  It wasn't a perfect, right on the money pass, I'm not suggesting that.  But it was still in a position where he could hand-catch it and go into the endzone.  Legette just doesn't trust his hands though and tried to pull it into his body, hence laying out and falling down.  I've seen plenty of WRs catch those kind of throws in stride without falling on their stomach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbqu9RSnHL0&ab_channel=NFLArchive

Not the same kind of throw, but look at how Steve Smith catches the ball on this play.  Delhomme throws it high, but instead of trying to find a way to catch it with his body, Smitty extends his hands and makes the play.  It allows him to get YAC as well (we'll see an example of Legette likely missing out on YAC because he body catched it)

Look at this play by Legette at South Carolina - 

https://x.com/Panthers24_7/status/1866098134302011556?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Not a good throw by the QB, but Legette does what he should do here: goes up and gets it with his hands instead of trying to clutch it with his body.  

Legette made the same "body-catch" earlier on the drive when Bryce nearly escaped a sack

Imagine if he had actually caught it with his hands instead of clutching it with his body again?  Probably would have been in a better position to make the 2 guys in the secondary miss.  

That is why I'm so concerned that this might not be fixable.  It is instinctual for him right now.  

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15 hours ago, ClawOn said:

His college tape is a dude high pointing balls with 2 hands extension. Haven't seen a lot of that in the NFL yet,  but we should learn not to give up on guys too early.

Naw, because when you have a pedestrian, more quick than fast, coach on the field, QB at WR type player playing decently well in a much better situation as WR3 then you must come to your home team's message board and take a giant dump on your GM's 1st round pick because he isn't a complete HOF in every facet 13 games into his rookie season. 

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19 minutes ago, NorthTryon said:

Naw, because when you have a pedestrian, more quick than fast, coach on the field, QB at WR type player playing decently well in a much better situation as WR3 then you must come to your home team's message board and take a giant dump on your GM's 1st round pick because he isn't a complete HOF in every facet 13 games into his rookie season. 

You are right.  I shouldn't be expecting a 24-year old, 5-year college, 1st round pick to have dependable hands.  

Like, what are we doing here?  Would you be okay drafting a 1st round MLB who sucks at tackling?  A 1st round RB with a bad fumbling problem? 

Ya'll act like I'm talking about his ability to run routes or other things that do take time at the NFL level, like understanding zones, leverages, chemistry with the QB, etc.  No, I am literally talking about the most basic part of his job (just as tackling is for a MLB and not fumbling is for a RB): the ability to catch the ball.  Nobody is expecting him to be a HOFer; I'm expecting him, at his age, after all his years in college, having been a 1st round pick, to be able to hold onto the ball.

This isn't just a one-week problem.  Not a two-week problem.  Not even a three-week problem.  Did I make a thread when he was dropping passes those weeks?  Nah.  But yesterday was as bad as it gets.  Anyone not concerned about a 1st round 24-year old 5 year college player dropping a wide open touchdown has got to be fooling themselves.  I'd trust Ted Ginn more than I would Xavier Legette. 

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3 minutes ago, Mage said:

You are right.  I shouldn't be expecting a 24-year old, 5-year college, 1st round pick to have dependable hands.  

Like, what are we doing here?  Would you be okay drafting a 1st round MLB who sucks at tackling?  A 1st round RB with a bad fumbling problem? 

Ya'll act like I'm talking about his ability to run routes or other things that do take time at the NFL level, like understanding zones, leverages, chemistry with the QB, etc.  No, I am literally talking about the most basic part of his job (just as tackling is for a MLB and not fumbling is for a RB): the ability to catch the ball.  Nobody is expecting him to be a HOFer; I'm expecting him, at his age, after all his years in college, having been a 1st round pick, to be able to hold onto the ball.

This isn't just a one-week problem.  Not a two-week problem.  Not even a three-week problem.  Did I make a thread when he was dropping passes those weeks?  Nah.  But yesterday was as bad as it gets.  Anyone not concerned about a 1st round 24-year old 5 year college player dropping a wide open touchdown has got to be fooling themselves.  I'd trust Ted Ginn more than I would Xavier Legette. 

First, I wasn't talking to you specifically. I was talking to the people labeling him a bust yesterday and this morning. Secondly, there are players who don't have it all together immediately. Hell, Marvin Harrison Jr is dropping passes as of late because his team is relying on him like WR1 his rookie year. We are doing the same with Legette. It takes most WRs, hell most players until year 3 to break out, putting it all together. The ones that play better early are usually on a really good team in a better organization/situation. That drop yesterday was brutal and the drops are an issue. People are acting like jugs machines don't exist and like they didn't see other WRs/TEs become better catchers overtime. I get your anger, frustration, and venting, what I won't cosign on is this he's a bust crap just cause Ladd Mcwhatever is having a decent rookie season catching routine passes while other WRs on his team run off the coverage. 

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