Legette is killing us

[travisura]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

We have a multitude of issues but short of trading a haul for one of the top 5 wide receivers in the NFL we are not going to ever have a WR who is perfect across the board. Especially not one who is very young. And at the end of the day when you select a player first overall that player is supposed to help mask some of the issues. Instead we are relegated to suggesting we need elite talent at every position.

I get what you're saying, and to a large extent I agree, but I'm not sure what our #1 overall pick is supposed to do when good/great throws are hitting WRs/TEs in the hands and they're dropping them. That's been the state of things these last 3-4 weeks.

I'm not sure why you're on this crusade to defend every player on this team not named Bryce Young from criticism as if Bryce is the one and only problem on this team. 

 

[CBDellinger]

20 minutes ago, Panthering said:

XL has the worst decision making/instincts when the ball is just about to hit his hands. He either jumps, which throws off his timing/balance making it harder on himself, or does the slide yesterday which also throws off the timing/balance. It makes him play smaller than his size. He's a good athlete and his route running has been much better than we anticipated based off the scouting report but you cannot be a #1 guy in the league with shoddy hands like he's shown so far. He has to fix it somehow, I have hope based on his progression as a WR I watched at SC. Will always be pulling for him. 

hes gotta learn to catch with his hands.  the little hops and whatnot will go away when he learns to extend and catch the ball before it gets into his body.  It'll also allow him to keep running thru the catch and his yac opportunities will increase.

Hes gonna have to put some work in this offseason but apparently the dude isnt afraid to grind.

[frankw]

3 minutes ago, travisura said:

I get what you're saying, and to a large extent I agree, but I'm not sure what our #1 overall pick is supposed to do when good/great throws are hitting WRs/TEs in the hands and they're dropping them. That's been the state of things these last 3-4 weeks.

I'm not sure why you're on this crusade to defend every player on this team not named Bryce Young from criticism as if Bryce is the one and only problem on this team. 

 

Legette is not immune from criticism. He needs to improve. It's been discussed plenty here. But he is a rookie. And for months people here gave Bryce a pass throughout his rookie year. There is no reason we can't be realistic about Legette. He was unpolished coming out of college with a limited track record of success same with Mingo. It was Dan Morgan who decided to draft him. Even Bryce Young's father pushed for Legette. So you will have to forgive me if I'm not fully on board with making him the culprit of our woes. At some point also our coaches need to actually develop players too.

[45catfan]

34 minutes ago, Oldschool Leroy said:

I have a legitimate question that I honestly do not know the answer: has a " body catcher " coming out of college, ever learned to be a " hands catcher " ?

Gotta be careful of one year wonders in college, especially if it was their last one.  Kinda akin to a JAG player in the NFL having a career season in a contract year.

[CBDellinger]

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

Legette is not immune from criticism. He needs to improve. It's been discussed plenty here. But he is a rookie. And for months people here gave Bryce a pass throughout his rookie year. There is no reason we can't be realistic about Legette. He was unpolished coming out of college with a limited track record of success same with Mingo. It was Dan Morgan who decided to draft him. Even Bryce Young's father pushed for Legette. So you will have to forgive me if I'm not fully on board with making him the culprit of our woes. At some point also our coaches need to actually develop players too.

hes certainly not the culprit but rookies are gonna rookie.  those live reps hes getting are awesome for his development, he should have a very clear picture of what to work on in the offseason.

Edited 6 hours ago by CBDellinger

[JawnyBlaze]

38 minutes ago, Mage said:

PFF has him at 5 drops, a drop % of 13.2%, 14th highest among WRs with at least 100 snaps.  

I can respect that take as well, at least it’s putting it into context and not “omgerd he’s dropping every other pass that’s thrown his general direction.”  I can believe four or five drops. He definitely hasn’t been dropping at nearly the rate that a number of people here are claiming. He certainly has to work on it, but I fully expect the timing on jumps, catching with hands (which he showed plenty of in college), and concentration issues will be resolved when he’s more comfortable in the system and with playing at the NFL level in general. It’s obvious the game hasn’t “slowed down” for him yet, but I’m sure it will. 

[travisura]

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

Legette is not immune from criticism. He needs to improve. It's been discussed plenty here. But he is a rookie. And for months people here gave Bryce a pass throughout his rookie year. There is no reason we can't be realistic about Legette. He was unpolished coming out of college with a limited track record of success same with Mingo. It was Dan Morgan who decided to draft him. Even Bryce Young's father pushed for Legette. So you will have to forgive me if I'm not fully on board with making him the culprit of our woes. At some point also our coaches need to actually develop players too.

None of our problems are the sole fault of one individual player. 

[jtm]

The offense isn't the problem at the moment and it will only improve once Coker and Sanders get back.  This statement should be seen as a positive because no one would have uttered these words a month ago.  

[Bear Hands]

The good thing is that if he's going to have game hurting growing pains, this is the optimal season to have them.  Obviously, hope he starts doing this a bit less haha.    

 

[CBDellinger]

the good news is the dude can RUN and he is not at all afraid to take on tacklers in the run game... some of his breaks at the top of routes, fighting thru defenders... theres a lot to like about XL the rookie.

[Call Me James]

42 minutes ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

He also runs better routes and catches the ball better. Literally does everything better. 

And all those things work well when you have a better QB. The reason you drafted Legette is because Bryce was giving a lot more 50/50 balls and Legette was better at winning those balls and YAC potential. 

Just different guys. 

Not sure with this obsession on the huddle that the grass is always greener. Strange take considering Legette isn't the reason why we lost. 

[flagfootballcoach28]

6 minutes ago, Call Me James said:

And all those things work well when you have a better QB. The reason you drafted Legette is because Bryce was giving a lot more 50/50 balls and Legette was better at winning those balls and YAC potential. 

Just different guys. 

Not sure with this obsession on the huddle that the grass is always greener. Strange take considering Legette isn't the reason why we lost. 

What 50/50 ball has Leggete won? I remember Leggete getting the ball taken from him in a 50/50 ball. He also dropped another ball that was dropped right in the bucket. Wasn’t  even a 50/50 ball. More like a 90/10. He might not be the reason why we lost but he is never the reason why we win. Hopefully he improves, but Ladd is light years better than him atm. 

[MasterAwesome]

23 minutes ago, frankw said:

We have a multitude of issues but short of trading a haul for one of the top 5 wide receivers in the NFL we are not going to ever have a WR who is perfect across the board. Especially not one who is very young. And at the end of the day when you select a player first overall that player is supposed to help mask some of the issues. Instead we are relegated to suggesting we need elite talent at every position.

Stroud had one of the best rookie QB seasons of all time and the Texans still went and traded a second round pick in the offseason for yet another very good receiver for him.  Was that an indictment of Stroud, needing elite talent?  Or is it simply wise for teams to invest in their young QBs?

This is such an odd argument to make as a Panthers fan who had to witness the trash we gave Cam at receiver over his career here.  Wouldn't you have rather us paired him with elite talent?  The parallels run pretty deep because we even drafted Benjamin/Funchess in the 1st and 2nd rounds in back-to-back drafts.  Except Benjamin/Funchess as a duo were much more formidable than Legette/Mingo in their first years together (yes Benjamin was injured, but I mean on paper in terms of talent + ability).  I mean, as much as we clown on Funchess in here...Funchess' rookie season and Legette's projected rookie season look pretty damn similar on paper except Legette is playing ~30% more snaps than Funchess did.  Imagine giving Cam Devin Funchess as his #1 WR and thinking "yep...that's good enough.  He's a first overall QB, we don't need to give him elite talent at every position".  I think Legette is promising and I'm excited about his potential, but I sure as hell ain't putting all my eggs in that basket.

[frankw]

18 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Stroud had one of the best rookie QB seasons of all time and the Texans still went and traded a second round pick in the offseason for yet another very good receiver for him.  Was that an indictment of Stroud, needing elite talent?  Or is it simply wise for teams to invest in their young QBs?

This is such an odd argument to make as a Panthers fan who had to witness the trash we gave Cam at receiver over his career here.  Wouldn't you have rather us paired him with elite talent?  The parallels run pretty deep because we even drafted Benjamin/Funchess in the 1st and 2nd rounds in back-to-back drafts.  Except Benjamin/Funchess as a duo were much more formidable than Legette/Mingo in their first years together (yes Benjamin was injured, but I mean on paper in terms of talent + ability).  I mean, as much as we clown on Funchess in here...Funchess' rookie season and Legette's projected rookie season look pretty damn similar on paper except Legette is playing ~30% more snaps than Funchess did.  Imagine giving Cam Devin Funchess as his #1 WR and thinking "yep...that's good enough.  He's a first overall QB, we don't need to give him elite talent at every position".  I think Legette is promising and I'm excited about his potential, but I sure as hell ain't putting all my eggs in that basket.

No one is denying that the Texans have clearly made a striking attempt at surrounding their QB with talent. That being said in his rookie year virtually nobody had them pegged as going to the playoffs let alone winning a playoff game. But we also have to be honest that along the way Stroud has elevated people around him. Is he having a down year this season compared to his rookie year? You could certainly make that case. But he's still playing like a top 20 QB.

Cam went to a Super Bowl with Ted Ginn Jr as his #1 WR. He also had us competive more often than not in his early years despite having the likes of Byron Bell at left tackle. Cam is just a different dude in this context of the conversation. It just doesn't compare.