Legette is killing us

[Call Me James]

Ladd McConkey is on a better team with a better coach.

he’s supposed to look better.

[Gapanthersfan]

Best rookie WR prospect panthers have had since when? 

Drops are brutal but this is where Thielen is so important in his development. With Bryce version 1.0, X didn’t really have much of a training camp and everything was new. He’s getting open and has made some clutch grabs. I’m cautiously optimistic. 

[45catfan]

11 hours ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

We could have had Ladd McConkey who is going to finish with over 1,200 receiving yards.

Exactly.  That's who I wanted and we wouldn't have had to move up.  Dude will end up being an Adam Thielen clone. Not real fast, not real tall, not real jacked, but all he does is get open and catch passes.

Edited 4 hours ago by 45catfan

[45catfan]

Guess who is who:

 

[MHS831]

Think about this--Johnson, Thielen, and Mingo--our entire fleet of veterans--went down or left at some point during the season.  XL is getting #1 WR attention from defensive coordinators and secondaries and he is very raw--as advertised. He needs to be the Z WR, Coker and Thielen need to man the slot, and we need a #1.  I am happy to see our TEs step up to be offensive threats in the pass game.  XL gets better when you bring in a #1 WR. 

[JawnyBlaze]

1 hour ago, Zaximus said:

Yeah to be fair, the "drop" stat has never been a really great indicator.  He's had a drop in almost every game this year, multiple in some, and often important ones.  I think he's going to get better for sure but this stat is not a good indication of anything.   I don't think we are set at WR and probably should look to a draft another true #1 that will be a bit more dependable just in case this is the ceiling. 

Many stats are subjective and all you can do is try to apply them under the same standard across the board. And under the same standard as all other WRs are held to, he has four drops. We could all argue what constitutes a drop til we’re blue in the face, but if we’re going to claim that XL has more than four drops then every other WR in the league also has more than they’re credited with too. So whether you want to claim XL has four drops or 40, he’s not bad compared to other receivers when held to equal standards of what is considered a “drop”. 

[Zaximus]

Just now, JawnyBlaze said:

Many stats are subjective and all you can do is try to apply them under the same standard across the board. And under the same standard as all other WRs are held to, he has four drops. We could all argue what constitutes a drop til we’re blue in the face, but if we’re going to claim that XL has more than four drops then every other WR in the league also has more than they’re credited with too. So whether you want to claim XL has four drops or 40, he’s not bad compared to other receivers when held to equal standards of what is considered a “drop”. 

That's fair, but I don't care about comparing him to the league, just what we all have seen in the actual games and with that, he has bad hands that has cost us a lot of yards and in rough situations.  For a #1 pick he should be catching a lot of those if he's getting hands on the ball or it's literally hitting him in the chest/face.   He has potential for sure but this team can't bank on that as a given so we should look to a more "hands" receiver that has that skill NOW. 

[Mage]

12 hours ago, Champagnepapi704 said:

Let's find something on our 32nd pick rookie 

I mean... having good hands is pretty important for a WR.  It is absolutely worth discussing.

I'm not giving up on him, but I very much question if he can be a reliable #1 WR.  Bad hands isn't something you fix overnight when you have already been playing football for so long and are 23 years old.  

Obviously he's good enough to be someone you try to get the ball to.  But if he can't fix the drops then a #1 WR is still a need for this team.  There is no reason he should be getting outplayed by Adam Thielen.  

[Mage]

3 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

XL has four drops on the year. A lot of you guys are calling just about any pass that is in arms reach that isn’t caught a drop. Yesterday wasn’t a “drop”, it was a difficult pass that wasn’t reeled in. By the standard XL is being held to, a lot of veteran WRs would have astronomical drop rates. XL’s is 6.8%, not great but not horrible by any stretch. In college his drop rate was 4.8%. McConkey’s was 6.3% fwiw. 

PFF has him at 5 drops, a drop % of 13.2%, 14th highest among WRs with at least 100 snaps.  

[Oldschool Leroy]

I have a legitimate question that I honestly do not know the answer: has a " body catcher " coming out of college, ever learned to be a " hands catcher " ?

[flagfootballcoach28]

2 hours ago, Ricky Prickles said:

Yes how dare Brooks not break the single game all time rushing record in his first game in the NFL and back from a serious knee injury. Dammit, cut him!

I understand it was one game, doesn’t change the fact it was a bad pick. 

[flagfootballcoach28]

42 minutes ago, Call Me James said:

Ladd McConkey is on a better team with a better coach.

he’s supposed to look better.

He also runs better routes and catches the ball better. Literally does everything better. 

[Panthering]

XL has the worst decision making/instincts when the ball is just about to hit his hands. He either jumps, which throws off his timing/balance making it harder on himself, or does the slide yesterday which also throws off the timing/balance. It makes him play smaller than his size. He's a good athlete and his route running has been much better than we anticipated based off the scouting report but you cannot be a #1 guy in the league with shoddy hands like he's shown so far. He has to fix it somehow, I have hope based on his progression as a WR I watched at SC. Will always be pulling for him. 

[frankw]

We have a multitude of issues but short of trading a haul for one of the top 5 wide receivers in the NFL we are not going to ever have a WR who is perfect across the board. Especially not one who is very young. And at the end of the day when you select a player first overall that player is supposed to help mask some of the issues. Instead we are relegated to suggesting we need elite talent at every position.