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Thielen Catch

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The ball moved in his hands when he hit the ground and he immediately went out of bounds - not a catch. Ball can't move at all even if it's still in the hands. Great effort though.

Also, like the Cotchery catch, it's a bit tough but if he gets it cleanly in the first place then anything else is (likely here, anyway) a moot point.

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1 minute ago, KSpan said:

The ball moved in his hands when he hit the ground and he immediately went out of bounds - not a catch. Ball can't move at all even if it's still in the hands. Great effort though.

Also, like the Cotchery catch, it's a bit tough but if he gets it cleanly in the first place then anything else is (likely here, anyway) a moot point.

He has it secured the entire time. I don’t get why you would gaslight our own players for the sake of the refs ignorance and incompetence. The end result is we got cheated, purposeful or not.  You can’t coach, “hey catch this pass in a way that doesn’t get us cheated out of the game.”   
 

Refs need to be held accountable and overruled in real time. It’s too much of good ole boy system. That’s why they never fix anything.

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11 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

He has it secured the entire time. I don’t get why you would gaslight our own players for the sake of the refs ignorance and incompetence. The end result is we got cheated, purposeful or not.  You can’t coach, “hey catch this pass in a way that doesn’t get us cheated out of the game.”   
 

Refs need to be held accountable and overruled in real time. It’s too much of good ole boy system. That’s why they never fix anything.

No he didn't. As I said, to my eyes the ball moved in his hands when he hit the ground and immediately went out of bounds before regaining full control. By rule that's not a catch.

I have to say also that I love that uniform combo. The blue jerseys are ugly IMO and the lighter blue is better but that darker color of pants with black jerseys is killer.

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17 minutes ago, KSpan said:

No he didn't. As I said, to my eyes the ball moved in his hands when he hit the ground and immediately went out of bounds before regaining full control. By rule that's not a catch.

I have to say also that I love that uniform combo. The blue jerseys are ugly IMO and the lighter blue is better but that darker color of pants with black jerseys is killer.

No man. When the shoulder hits the ground he doesn’t lose possession. His hands move and adjust with the ball but it is secured and not bobbled. That’s a TD. 

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34 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

No man. When the shoulder hits the ground he doesn’t lose possession. His hands move and adjust with the ball but it is secured and not bobbled. That’s a TD. 

In any scenario, if he catches it in the first place it's a TD. He didn't though.

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7 hours ago, KSpan said:

The ball moved in his hands when he hit the ground and he immediately went out of bounds - not a catch. Ball can't move at all even if it's still in the hands. Great effort though.

Also, like the Cotchery catch, it's a bit tough but if he gets it cleanly in the first place then anything else is (likely here, anyway) a moot point.

Every catch in every game the ball moves a fraction if you wanna follow the letter of the law 

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2 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

Every catch in every game the ball moves a fraction if you wanna follow the letter of the law 

 

Thielen immediately went out of bounds before he established/re-established control in the ref's eyes, and a moving ball/moving hands adds the element of doubt. That is the issue and why it's incomplete. Someone can bat and bobble the ball all the way down the field as long as they stay in bounds and have it in firm, clear control before going out of bounds. It was unfortunately not clear enough here.

56 minutes ago, NAS said:

It’s not about the ball moving, it’s whether he has control and he clearly did

Right, but the hand and ball movement introduces a big element of question. He clearly did not have full control in the eyes of the ref and I agree with that call, or at least understand it.

If he is in the middle of the end zone and not immediately going out of bounds and the exact same thing plays out then it's an unquestionable TD. 

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