What Are Your Top Offseason Targets Now That Bryce Young Is Showing Promise?

[CamWhoaaCam]

3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

The fact that you put any CB as the #1 overall prospect is just laughable

That you compound the issue by not even putting the best CB in the draft in that spot just makes it worse.  

You do realize that Hunter literally isn't even a finalist for the Thorpe award that is given to the best DB in the nation, right?

I would bet every dollar I have that Johnson will have a better career than Hunter and that T-Mac will end up better than both of them.

You need help my friend. 

 

Hunter is the #1 rated prospect, and it hurts you to the core lol. You beefing with me because I agree with the people who rate these guys. As if the play on the field doesn't speak for itself.

 

Get well bro you in a deep place right now and I can't help you any longer. Stay strong!

[micnificent28]

On 12/2/2024 at 5:18 PM, tukafan21 said:

This is just a classic example of falling for the media hype and/or not seeing the difference between being a generational collegiate talent and actual translation to the NFL.

Yes, Hunter is completely unique and there's never been anyone quite like him in college.

But at the same time, he's literally not even the best WR or CB in the draft, that's T-Mac and Will Johnson.

Just because someone is generational in college, it doesn't mean they are the best possible NFL prospect at any given position, they're two entirely different things.  Yes, Hunter is a true elite CB prospect and a very very good WR prospect, but individually he's not even the best at either position and he's not going to be a full time 2 way player in the NFL either.

Let someone else deal with the headache that will follow him, he's not even on my draft board, if it was him or trade the pick for someone else to get stuck with dealing with him, I'm trading that pick 100 times out of 100, even if it's just moving back 1 spot and adding a future 7th rounder to do so.

media hype? What kind of nonsense is this .. guy was the number 1 overall player in the nation coming out of highschool.. if you look on any big board he's the number 1 wr and number 1 corner. Yes what headache is he? He hasn't caused any problems to pass on hunter for anyone not a quarterback is ridiculous.

[tukafan21]

3 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

media hype? What kind of nonsense is this .. guy was the number 1 overall player in the nation coming out of highschool.. if you look on any big board he's the number 1 wr and number 1 corner. Yes what headache is he? He hasn't caused any problems to pass on hunter for anyone not a quarterback is ridiculous.

He hasn't caused any problems because Deion acts like he's another son of his and let's him do things that no other player in the country could get away with.  If he was at any other school, he'd be just as good but he'd probably have a serious diva label on him, it's just ignored because the whole program is like that in Colorado.

Deion catches him "stealing" shoes form his personal locker room and finds it hilarious and posts the video online for the world to see.  He goes on podcasts during the season complaining that he's not the Heisman favorite, on his bye week he flys across the country to campaign for himself on the morning shows in person.

You don't see that kind of stuff and see red flags for him when he's in the NFL and the HC isn't a man child surrogate father figure to him?  

He's also continuously said he expects to play both ways full time in the NFL, which if any team lets him do it, they're dumb and he's going to get hurt and/or struggle.  Then if/when they don't and the team is struggling to score while he gets 5 gadget snaps a game, you think he's going to react well to that?

Him and Shedeur have the biggest red flags for a first rounder since Manziel from that diva mentality standpoint, I'm not using a Top 5 pick on a CB that comes with that big of a risk when Johnson is an equal if not better prospect (and I've touched many times on never taking him over T-Mac as a WR either).

And I've seen plenty of the "experts" who don't have him as the #1 prospect anyways.  Many who do also talk about him as an "athlete" and that he'll be a CB who gets plenty of WR snaps as well, which again, I don't think is going to happen.

The kid is an elite talent, it's why he was the #1 player in HS too, but at this point, he's just not the best WR and I don't think he's the best CB either (I do think he's 2nd).  

His past doesn't matter anymore.  If you're taking a CB #1 overall or as the first non QB off the board, they have to be a STUD lockdown corner who might not even get many INTs because teams just won't throw that way, kinda like Revis or Asomugha at their peaks.

That's not Hunter.  

I've likened him to Trevon Diggs, someone who is one of the better CBs in the league because he has the ability to lock his man down at times and makes a lot of great plays.  But those great plays are because their game is predicated on taking risks, which in the NFL leads to giving up a lot of big plays as well.

That's Hunter.

If Hunter didn't take a snap on the offensive side of the ball, he'd be a great prospect and talked about as a Top 10 pick based on team needs for a CB.  But he wouldn't be the #1 ranked prospect, he wouldn't be talked about as the first non QB to be taken.  I don't see the few snaps you're going to give him a game on offense being worth jumping over better actual prospects at their positions while taking on the risks that come with him and the whole Deion world.

That's what I mean by falling for the media hype, because I feel like the legend of Hunter has outgrown the real life NFL prospects Hunter.

Edited December 4, 2024 by tukafan21

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[parker]

We need a strong DT or DE.  Compliment Brown or replace him if needed.  The line needs work because stopping the run is our biggest weakness right now. Then LB, DB, C, TE.  If we can get any one of those in FA, then we look at WR or S.

[amcoolio]

WR harder to get. Get one of those top 2 WR's in the draft (I think Hunter can play CB for us too, wouldn't mind if he was the pick at all). If both are gone, trade as far down as possible hoping to get a #1 next year or at least another #2 and build the defense and O-line

[Navy_football]

Top target this off season should be any receiver that can catch the ball consistently and make guys miss in space. I'm tired of watching other games where WRs catch the ball less than 10 yards downfield and then turn it into 50 yards gains. Big plays aren't always bomb passes 50+ yards deep in the NFL. Long runs and YAC are necessary to stack numbers and wins. It doesn't have to be McClaurin or Saquon level, but dang. Adam Thielen is the Panthers' most exciting offensive weapon ya'll. He's a possession guy on every other team, meaning the 3rd or 4th option. Speed scares DBs alot more than strong arms. 

[TJAmor21]

These are a few guys of interest I have been researching on the offensive side of the ball. Draft positions are subjective for now. The intangibles of these prospects along with what we need, have given me a reference point to further expand on as the draft approaches. I hope we are heavily involved in senior day, as this year’s class honestly feels light at the top compared to the talents of previous drafts. 

Current allotted picks 

• 1st round pick
• 2nd round pick (via LA Rams)
• 3rd round pick
• 4th round pick
• 4th round pick (via Cowboys)
• 5th round pick
• 5th round pick (via NY Giants)
• 5th round pick (via Ravens)
• 7th round pick
• 7th round pick (via 49ers)

 

QB

• Jaxson Dart (3rd-5th)
• Jason Daniels (5th-7th)

Dart seems to have similar capabilities to the offense we run and what has been asked of Bryce. He is not comparable exactly in player type, but I feel we need someone who can run the same offense without having to be a carbon copy of the starter. Daniels also has similar capabilities to Bryce, but mostly surround his ability to create when chaos ensues. He has enough speed and athleticism to allude defenders when the pocket breaks down to escape and create on the run. I feel both collectively have enough similar traits to BY that either could come in as a 3rd string QB and be a solid contributor on the PS or in practices with opportunity to grow. We still need a Vet as a back up but I’m not fully sold on Dalton continuing in that spot. 

 

RB 

• Ollie Gordon ll (4th-5th)
• Donovan Edwards (5th-7th)

Both backs listed above have seen a dip in their draft stock by staying another year at their respective schools. This is a detractor for them but possible a diamond in the rough opportunity for a team looking to bolster the running back room. We have Chuba under contract for a while and Brooks drooling to take over primary duties. Here’s the kicker, injuries happen and having a relentless rushing attack wears down defenses. If you want Bryce to become everything his talent says he can be you need to have as many young rushers on the team for as cheap and long as possible. Both of their profiles remind me so much of Chuba and Ollie specifically has had a season similar to Chuba’s in college. Outside of a few games last year Donovan Edward’s has not been a consistent starter but he is a strong runner with bell cow intangibles. None have a crazy amount of mileage on their legs but they aren’t too new to carrying a workload to not be able to get a good idea of their value. At the projected draft position of today it would be crazy to not take a shot on the once sky high value.

 

WR

• Tetairoa McMillan (top 5 pick)
• Luther Burden lll (1st)
• Isaiah Bond (1st-2nd)
• Tai Felton (2nd-4th)
• Kyren Lacy (4rd-5th)
• Julian Fleming (5th - UDFA)

Tet is the guy in this year’s draft. He is the WR1 everyone is yearning for. I get that Travis Hunter possesses the most value, but the value is spread over two positions and skews things too much to wholeheartedly say he is the #1 WR. I am hoping Tet falls into our laps, but we may not draft high enough to get him, and the options after don’t jump off the page initially, but there is plenty of value later even if they are not a true WR1 yet. Luther Burden would be a solid compensation, and I am not opposed to him, but I feel he isn’t worth a top 10 pick. Bond has the speed we need to open things up for XL and Coker but would be predominantly a slot WR because of size. Tai Felton as a mid-round pick interests me the most because of his YAC ability and how well he’s able to get off the line. One of his comps is Romeo Doubs, and he’s starting to become a hell of a WR. Lacy is another later-round gem and I feel fits what we need, YAC. Our Qb isn’t going to be a deep ball threat consistently, and we need to start putting pressure on defense with more YAC opportunities. Lacy is the best blend of size, speed, and catching ability in this range. I like him a lot around the 4th. Lastly is someone that many have forgotten about: Julian Fleming, the former OSU top recruit. He was a consensus 5-star top recruit ( ESPN 1 , 247Sports 3), and if not for injuries and other major talent coming to OSU, may have been one of the next great WRs to be coming into the league. He only has 6 drops in 125 career targets, is a physical blocker, and ran a 4.35 at his pro day. I normally would call him a bust after this sort of college career, but at his current draft range (5th round or later), who’s going to say no to taking a flyer on a former top prospect who has been held back by no fault of his own? 

 

TE

• Gunnar Helm (4th-6th)
• Mason Taylor (6th-UDFA)

Helm has exceptional hands paired with great route-running skills, especially for deep routes. He has been labeled a “film junkie,” which helps him find openings in zone coverage. He has a very strong work ethic, and his versatility would be amazing to scheme into an NFL offense. Mason Taylor, son of Jason Taylor and nephew of Zach Thomas, has NFL-ready attributes oozing through his blood. His football IQ is unmatched for this TE draft class. While he is not a burner or a TE1, his floor is the perfect complement to Sanders, who I feel is a star in the making. Taylor would fit our scheme perfectly since a lot of plays drawn up are timing-based and take advantage of Bryce’s ability to throw with anticipation.

 

OL

• Jake Majors (Center)(2nd-3rd)
• Clay Webb (2nd-4th)
• Jack Nelson (4th - 5th)
• Parker Brailsford (Center) (4th-5th)
• Donovan Jackson (5th-6th)
• Riley Mahlman (5th - UDFA)

I do not see us picking an OL in the first 2 rounds and possibly not even the 3rd. It all depends on how they evaluate the C position and our depth. I feel confident with who we have now but there’s always opportunity to improve. If we decide we cannot move forward with any of Corbett/Christensen/Mays next year starting at C I feel we could make an early splash and Jake Majors is the name I am seeing as worthy of top C taken this coming draft. While he does have some work to do developing his run blocking, he is more than capable with pass blocking, which is something I feel we still need to improve, especially in longer late-down situations. The remainder of the guys listed would be great for rotational depth and to another option for competition at C. My favorite of the group has to be Donovan Jackson. I feel he’s got great intangibles and could take over one day at G, if we took him in the draft. 

[Aussie Tank]

4 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Top target this off season should be any receiver that can catch the ball consistently and make guys miss in space. I'm tired of watching other games where WRs catch the ball less than 10 yards downfield and then turn it into 50 yards gains. Big plays aren't always bomb passes 50+ yards deep in the NFL. Long runs and YAC are necessary to stack numbers and wins. It doesn't have to be McClaurin or Saquon level, but dang. Adam Thielen is the Panthers' most exciting offensive weapon ya'll. He's a possession guy on every other team, meaning the 3rd or 4th option. Speed scares DBs alot more than strong arms. 

Hearing ya why can't we have nice things? 

[Saca312]

On 12/4/2024 at 6:29 AM, parker said:

 

We need a strong DT or DE.  Compliment Brown or replace him if needed.  The line needs work because stopping the run is our biggest weakness right now.

 

Definitely agree. This defense needs hogmollies (as Gettleman used to say) in the worst way.

Granted, I'm not sure how much it is Evero  in that equation. He didn't have stellar run defenses with the Broncos either, though granted everywhere else that defense was tops under his leadership.

But at the least, this dline needs to get beefed up all around.