What Are Your Top Offseason Targets Now That Bryce Young Is Showing Promise?

[CamWhoaaCam]

9 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

This isn't a Hunter vs T-mac debate for our draft pick

It's objectively looking at Hunter, what he does well, where he struggles, and projecting that at the next level.

You get all butt hurt when someone says he isn't the #1 prospect and think saying he's #2 at his position and a Top 10 pick is an insult.

And yes, T-Mac is 100% a better WR prospect than Hunter, literally not even a debate about that.  If you want to debate Hunter as CB vs a WR in T-Mac, that's fair, but that's then position based.

Well that's my point Tmac is not a better overall prospect than Hunter.

 

Hunter as a DB>Tmac

Tmac is slightly better at WR 

 

 

[Davidson Deac II]

14 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Chris Weinke won the Heisman too. 

Johnny Football also won it.  

[CamWhoaaCam]

11 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

no, he's not, he's the 2nd best CB when you're projecting their future NFL prospects.

Johnson's size is a big factor there, just like Hunter's lack of size and him battling injuries all 3 years in college is a factor.

He's slim, it doesn't help his chances of staying healthy in the NFL when he can't do it in college, even if part of the reason is the number of snaps he's played, as that just means he has so much more miles on his body than the average draft prospect.

You can't ignore these things when projecting players at the next level, the fact that you want to, is proof that you live in a Madden lens of how to view everything, not a real world on the field of NFL football.

And again, nobody is saying he's an awful prospect, just that he's the 2nd best at either position, that you think that is an insult to him is just comical.

Health

 

Dude he just went a full season playing both ways. What are you even talking about size and his injury concerns?

 

His biggest injury his 3 years in college came from a dirty hit and he didn't miss much time from that injury.

 

Man y'all just be talking on this board.

[MHS831]

22 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Tee Higgins and Luther Burden or Isaiah Bond

In the draft, Bond and Felton are my top 2--I see Burden more of a slot, and I see AT and Coker holding down the slot next year--my sleeper who would be there in round 2?  Elic Ayomanor from Stanford.  He is smooth and has not been on a good team with a good QB.  I am just starting to research WR, so this will change when I get less dumb about them.

[MHS831]

21 hours ago, pdub0702 said:

Rouke could be an interesting developmental QB late. Yes, just add talent and competition to defense 

Love him--and in this system, he would be very effective.

[MHS831]

21 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

Sure it would be nice to have that alpha but first this first let's get some sets of hands in there that aren't drive killers. Thielen can only do so much 

I don't recall Coker dropping any passes, fwiw--To be honest, XL is a long way from being an Alpha--I don't think he will--body catcher, has poor familiarity with where he is on the field, etc. If the lights all come on at the same time, watch out.

[SmokinwithWilly]

40 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Johnny Football also won it.  

Yes he did. Just more proof that winning that trophy doesn't guarantee NFL success. 

[tukafan21]

33 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Health

 

Dude he just went a full season playing both ways. What are you even talking about size and his injury concerns?

 

His biggest injury his 3 years in college came from a dirty hit and he didn't miss much time from that injury.

 

Man y'all just be talking on this board.

he went multiple weeks this year of battling an injury, and didn't finish a couple games because of it.  Pretty sure he missed a big chunk of his freshman year to injuries and he missed like 3 or so games last year to it too.

He's 6'1" 185 lbs with basically double the amount of wear and tear on his body as any other college junior because of the number of snaps he's played.  If you don't think that's a factor for a player of his size, you're just sticking your head in the sand to purposefully ignore it.

I'm not saying it disqualifies him from a team drafting him highly, but it's not a 0% factor, it must be taken into consideration at the very top of the draft when you have other elite prospects who have more of a prototypical frame for the NFL.

T-Mac has a good 30+ lbs on him, Johnson is only an inch taller but almost 20 lbs heavier.

Hunter is more like DeVonta Smith, also a Heisman winner, but someone who has had some injury concerns in the NFL because of his slim frame.

[tukafan21]

22 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Tee Higgins and Luther Burden or Isaiah Bond

T-Mac is already a better WR than Higgins is right now, is younger, and won't require 20+ million to sign him this offseason.

Draft T-Mac, use all our cap room on the defense, take a shifty, fast slot WR in the 4th.

Such a better way to build the WR room than by overpaying for Higgins and drafting Burden.

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

T-Mac is already a better WR than Higgins is right now, is younger, and won't require 20+ million to sign him this offseason.

Draft T-Mac, use all our cap room on the defense, take a shifty, fast slot WR in the 4th.

Such a better way to build the WR room than by overpaying for Higgins and drafting Burden.

Being a GM seems to becoming more and more about how to build a team using the rookie contracts of the big  paydays at QB, CB, WR and DE. Devoting 15-20% of cap space to a single player is crippling unless they're in the greatest of this generation conversation. Not many guys are but a whole lot want to be paid like they are ie Burns. 

[tukafan21]

4 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Being a GM seems to becoming more and more about how to build a team using the rookie contracts of the big  paydays at QB, CB, WR and DE. Devoting 15-20% of cap space to a single player is crippling unless they're in the greatest of this generation conversation. Not many guys are but a whole lot want to be paid like they are ie Burns. 

and WR is the worst position to give that money out while you're still trying to re-build a team and have a ton of holes, since you have to overpay for them in FA and the best of them never hit the open market anyways, so you have to overpay for someone not quite deserving of the contract.

The only way you're getting a true outside #1 like T-Mac is thru the draft, I don't even think Higgins is that type of guy anyways, he's more of someone who could be the best #2 in the league or a middle of the road #1, like the 15th best WR in the league.

T-Mac has true Top 5 potential, taking Burden or Hunter and giving Higgins the contract instead of just drafting T-Mac would be the dumbest move of all time.

You can find more than effective slot WRs later in the draft or on the cheap in FA, but not the true outside #1's

[CamWhoaaCam]

11 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

T-Mac is already a better WR than Higgins is right now, is younger, and won't require 20+ million to sign him this offseason.

Draft T-Mac, use all our cap room on the defense, take a shifty, fast slot WR in the 4th.

Such a better way to build the WR room than by overpaying for Higgins and drafting Burden.

Depends on if we are in position to draft Tmac. I'm convinced we have to jump New England to be in position to realistically draft him.

 

If New England is picking ahead of us I think we have to pursue Higgins in that case.

[Panthero]

23 hours ago, L-TownCat said:

A:  all focus should be the front 7.  Run defense and pass rush.  It’ll make our secondary better as a result.

B: oline depth

C; try to find another WR/TE

D; a ball hawking safety would be nice

in that order.

Agree except C and B should flip. We need a real dude at WR. 

[Aussie Tank]

20 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

T-Mac is already a better WR than Higgins is right now, is younger, and won't require 20+ million to sign him this offseason.

Draft T-Mac, use all our cap room on the defense, take a shifty, fast slot WR in the 4th.

Such a better way to build the WR room than by overpaying for Higgins and drafting Burden.

TMac and sign Slayton then go Defense hard would make me a happy boy. Plus resign BC