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What Are Your Top Offseason Targets Now That Bryce Young Is Showing Promise?

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2 hours ago, Shocker said:

Nice work.  Those top 3 needs are spot on.  The front 7 in general need a lot of help outside of Brown.  Great job with this post.

Thanks, bro.  I think the one area of our pass rush that we tend to forget is up the middle.  In the past, when we had players like Jenkins, Buckner, etc.  our edge players get more pressure.  Brown has improved but he can't play the number of snaps he has been playing--we need a rotation, and we need pass rushing DTs who can stop the run and run stopping DTs who can push the pocket.  We need a stud edge for sure.  At ILB, we are not solid--I doubt Thompson comes back, and I think his body is done.  

One thing I am noticing in the 12 games or so we have played under Canales.  He seems to be developing players--Smith-Wade had a great game, Sanders (TE) has improved, Coker, Wallace, Bryce, Mays at C, Ekwonu, and Tremble come to mind--that is a large group of players who have visibly improved.  As a result, we are no longer talking about TE, C, LT-allowing us, this year, to focus on the D.

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18 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Thanks, bro.  I think the one area of our pass rush that we tend to forget is up the middle.  In the past, when we had players like Jenkins, Buckner, etc.  our edge players get more pressure.  Brown has improved but he can't play the number of snaps he has been playing--we need a rotation, and we need pass rushing DTs who can stop the run and run stopping DTs who can push the pocket.  We need a stud edge for sure.  At ILB, we are not solid--I doubt Thompson comes back, and I think his body is done.  

One thing I am noticing in the 12 games or so we have played under Canales.  He seems to be developing players--Smith-Wade had a great game, Sanders (TE) has improved, Coker, Wallace, Bryce, Mays at C, Ekwonu, and Tremble come to mind--that is a large group of players who have visibly improved.  As a result, we are no longer talking about TE, C, LT-allowing us, this year, to focus on the D.

Milton Williams from Philly would be a great get 

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8 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

nobody has said the obvious answer. We are currently top 5. I expect picks 1-2 to go to qbs.

I think we will be picking at fifth or so.  And Jacksonville will likely have the #1 or #2 pick and they will not go qb.  They have to much invested in Lawrence to give up on him.  

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25 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I think we will be picking at fifth or so.  And Jacksonville will likely have the #1 or #2 pick and they will not go qb.  They have to much invested in Lawrence to give up on him.  

Seasons not over yet. Few things can change. If the jags stay at 1 they will trade down for a QB needy team. At that point if we are in the top 5 the cost to move to say 3 I'm all in on.

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1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

Seasons not over yet. Few things can change. If the jags stay at 1 they will trade down for a QB needy team. At that point if we are in the top 5 the cost to move to say 3 I'm all in on.

I doubt the Jags trade down, unless someone makes a big offer. And I don't think anyone will for Sanders or Ward.  

 

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Targets/Types that we really need to move forward:

-An all-pro level WR talent (Hunter, maybe McMillan towards the top of the draft)

-A shiftier, vertical threat at WR that can rotate spots (I.E. Ricky White Jr.)

-A more balanced OLB that can both set and rush (Harder to come by, but there's some talent - Donovan Ezeiruaku please

-A complimentary corner to Horn (Which is why Will Johnson, who is arguably the #2 overall talent in this draft, is not out of the cards)

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Targets/Types that we really need to move forward:

-An all-pro level WR talent (Hunter, maybe McMillan towards the top of the draft)

-A shiftier, vertical threat at WR that can rotate spots (I.E. Ricky White Jr.)

-A more balanced OLB that can both set and rush (Harder to come by, but there's some talent - Donovan Ezeiruaku please

-A complimentary corner to Horn (Which is why Will Johnson, who is arguably the #2 overall talent in this draft, is not out of the cards)

 

 

Horn and Will Johnson would be so fun together. 

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Looking at the list of available FAs I'm not seeing a lot of impact players on defense. Most of the edge rushers are older (Khalil Mack), coming off achilles injuries (Dre Greenlaw) or overrated and likely to be overpaid (Jevon Holland).

There are a handful of guys I think can fill needs that we should target on defense:
 - Nate Hobbs (NB, Raiders)
 - Elandon Roberts (LB, Steelers)
 - Malcolm Koonce (EDGE, Raiders)
 - Budda Baker (S, Cardinals)

I think adding a solid nickel in Hobbs and a younger veteran EDGE like Koonce could set us up nicely to take an EDGE in the 1st round or even Mason Graham.

On offense, I honestly think re-signing Brady Christensen should be a priority. He's arguably one of the most versatile OL in the league and can backup at any OL position and start if necessary.

Other than that, I do think if we're going to spend big in free agency it needs to be on a #1 WR and that means Tee Higgins. I also think a good young slot receiver like Josh Palmer from the Chargers or someone who can play the Adam Thielen role, but younger.

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14 hours ago, ChibCU said:

The defense needs more talent, but it’s weird to start this off about run defense and not mention we lost our all-pro DT week 1. 

…and may again…and if nit him, someone else….team has zero depth…that needs to be fixed across the board 

we know why there isn’t any depth…has to be fixed 

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5 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

…and may again…and if nit him, someone else….team has zero depth…that needs to be fixed across the board 

we know why there isn’t any depth…has to be fixed 

The easiest way to get depth is by drafting successful players on cheap contracts. The salary cap prevents hoarding of talent outside of that.

But again, any team will feel a decrease in production when they lose their most talented player for the entire season.

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13 hours ago, bigjohn said:

BPA in the draft.

Anything on a deal in free agency.

Stockpile talent. We aren’t in any position to be choosy about position.

This. 
 

BPA and a DC who will go back to a 4-3. I’d be overjoyed with a stud DE or DT but if a game changing, consensus BPA, LB, LT, Center, WR or safety is there then that’s who you take. I truly believe we have better talent on D than is currently on display since the scheme is so poor.

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      Current Draft Position & Potential Prospects

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      What Exactly Caused Bryces Turnaround?

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      Nobody could have succeeded last year, it was an awful offensive roster with even worse coaching I've been screaming that for a year. Watch some of the film of last year playcalling vs this years, it's an insane difference.  but to directly answer your question, I think last year not only slowed Bryce's improvement but made him regress. My opinion is he was worse this year Game 1 at Saints than he would have been if he just took a year off in 2023 from football. The last staff absolutely ruined him. I wrote him off, said after the first play of the Saint's game when he threw the int he was done and no coming back. Sitting seemed to have let him get back to being the dude he was coming out of Alabama, and what we are seeing now I believe is what the 1st overall pick looks like 5 games into their rookie year. 
    • Panthering
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      It's impossible to tell without being in the building but the biggest thing for me is confidence in himself, which happened once he finally had confidence in the offensive line which for some reason didn't happen until after his benching. Him being benched was his first football failure of his football life, he's been successful at every level since high school on incredibly talented teams. Biggest difference I've seen with him is staying in the pocket and also keeping his eyes up. He's legitimately eating big hits on the chin like a pro and still delivering darts. He's suddenly unshakeable it's great to see. I thought he always flashed some good throws with some anticipation so that's been there, with his confidence back his accuracy also returned to form. He still has to work on balls to the boundary but those are notoriously difficult.  tl;dr: confidence. 
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