Mason Graham Bandwagon

[Bear Hands]

I honestly don’t see the fit although like the player a lot — but if he’s elite you take him and make it work.

He would need to be DE opposite Brown but is a true 3 tech- a natural 4-3 DT. And we just signed Ashawn to a 3 year 22 mil deal who is a true odd front DE. On top of it, it would give us no one on the odd front that really gets at the QB but with a ton invested on the line at the same time with Rob, Tuttle, Brown and Graham.

You need a Madubuike type to balance out that room. Maybe that’s him.

 

 

[tukafan21]

Love the player, just not on a team who's best player is already a DT, for a team with as many holes as we have, that is just a poor allocation of picks/cap space to draft him right after paying DB.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

Love the player, just not on a team who's best player is already a DT, for a team with as many holes as we have, that is just a poor allocation of picks/cap space to draft him right after paying DB.

I mean....how? DL is one of the worst units on the team.

[tukafan21]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean....how? DL is one of the worst units on the team.

Well for one, a big part of it being the worst unit is because the best player on the entire team has been hurt the entire season.  

The other is that we're lacking a top end edge rushing threat, adding Graham doesn't help there, there just isn't a Top 5 worthy edge rusher in this class.

Yes, it would give us probably the best interior defensive line for the next decade and that would be cool to have.  But I think we have far too many other holes that aren't already being somewhat patched up by the return of our best player healthy next season.

If we miss out on T-Mac and could trade back while picking up an additional 1st in the trade, even next year, and get Graham, then I'd be much more on board.  But even then, if we were to trade back, I think we'd be more in line to take a shot on one of the edge rushers.

But for me, it's always going to be T-Mac over everyone else.  We haven't had a true #1 WR since Smith and after QB and DE, it's our biggest hole right now.  This not only solves that for the next decade, it solves it with a guy who is going to be a Top 5 WR in this league, don't over think it.

[Carolina Mike]

This sounds like the same back and forth when we drafted a LB when we already had a LB or as mentioned prior back to back DLs. I want the BPA, if it is another DT so be it.

(No not a kicker/punter for those people that think they are funny))

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, Carolina Mike said:

This sounds like the same back and forth when we drafted a LB when we already had a LB or as mentioned prior back to back DLs. I want the BPA, if it is another DT so be it.

(No not a kicker/punter for those people that think they are funny))

When we drafted Luke, we already had Cam, Smith, Olsen, Stewart, Deangleo, Gross, Kalil, CJ, Hardy, Beason, TD, Gamble (and maybe more I'm forgetting), we had a lot of great pieces in place.

Going pure BPA for a player with Luke's potential when the LB you already have is different when you already have all those pieces in place.  Our OL right now is probably in a better shape than that team and our RBs and TE have potential compared to proven vets back then, but after that, the 2012 roster was in a far better shape than we are right now.

We need a #1 WR, DEs, LBs, DBs, C, and depending who you ask a QB.  Going BPA at pick #5 when that player is a DT and your current best player on either side of the ball is a DT, seems irresponsible.

If he's the only player they like that high left, then you trade back and go with position of more need at a slot that makes sense for the player while adding other picks.  If you trade back and he falls because other teams don't need/want a DT, then you consider him at that point because of the value.

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by tukafan21

[kungfoodude]

9 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Well for one, a big part of it being the worst unit is because the best player on the entire team has been hurt the entire season.  

The other is that we're lacking a top end edge rushing threat, adding Graham doesn't help there, there just isn't a Top 5 worthy edge rusher in this class.

Yes, it would give us probably the best interior defensive line for the next decade and that would be cool to have.  But I think we have far too many other holes that aren't already being somewhat patched up by the return of our best player healthy next season.

If we miss out on T-Mac and could trade back while picking up an additional 1st in the trade, even next year, and get Graham, then I'd be much more on board.  But even then, if we were to trade back, I think we'd be more in line to take a shot on one of the edge rushers.

But for me, it's always going to be T-Mac over everyone else.  We haven't had a true #1 WR since Smith and after QB and DE, it's our biggest hole right now.  This not only solves that for the next decade, it solves it with a guy who is going to be a Top 5 WR in this league, don't over think it.

That unit was also quite bad with Derrick Brown there, not sure if you recall but he was lost while we were getting the poo kicked out of us by 37 points. Ultimately, he needs interior help. The guys we have now are JAG or JAG+ players. That will need to be remedied at some point.

I agree that adding Graham doesn't help our "top pass rusher" issue, which likely won't be solved this offseason no matter what we do. However it does limit the double teams that guys like Clowney and Wonnum will see. That does help our pass rush overall.

Trading back to "get another first" isn't likely to happen for the same reasons we just discussed. Outside the two QB's, which not all teams are going to have elite grades on, there isn't a lot of reason to trade into the top 5. That brings down the chances of that happening or getting this massive compensation that isn't likely to be there. 

I would absolutely rather have Hunter or McMillan over Graham. No question about it. But ultimately if the BPA situation is that they are gone and Graham is #4 or #5 on our board(or the general consensus) then you absolutely take the best player available. You don't overdraft a guy that might not be an elite talent out of "need." That's how we have failed so many times over and over again(see recent examples of XL or even Brooks). Don't reach for need. Play the board.

Also, don't have a completely terrible board which has been a real issue with the Tepper Panthers.

[Growl]

Jake Delhomme mentioned not so long ago that production matters a lot to Dan Morgan in his evaluation 

could be an important thing to keep in mind when weighing the pass rushers 

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

That unit was also quite bad with Derrick Brown there, not sure if you recall but he was lost while we were getting the poo kicked out of us by 37 points. Ultimately, he needs interior help. The guys we have now are JAG or JAG+ players. That will need to be remedied at some point.

I agree that adding Graham doesn't help our "top pass rusher" issue, which likely won't be solved this offseason no matter what we do. However it does limit the double teams that guys like Clowney and Wonnum will see. That does help our pass rush overall.

Trading back to "get another first" isn't likely to happen for the same reasons we just discussed. Outside the two QB's, which not all teams are going to have elite grades on, there isn't a lot of reason to trade into the top 5. That brings down the chances of that happening or getting this massive compensation that isn't likely to be there. 

I would absolutely rather have Hunter or McMillan over Graham. No question about it. But ultimately if the BPA situation is that they are gone and Graham is #4 or #5 on our board(or the general consensus) then you absolutely take the best player available. You don't overdraft a guy that might not be an elite talent out of "need." That's how we have failed so many times over and over again(see recent examples of XL or even Brooks). Don't reach for need. Play the board.

Also, don't have a completely terrible board which has been a real issue with the Tepper Panthers.

It’s the kind of pick everyone groans at on draft day.  But people will be celebrating it later.  The Derrick brown phenomenon 

[PanthersGTI]

25 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

It’s the kind of pick everyone groans at on draft day.  But people will be celebrating it later.  The Derrick brown phenomenon 

True. Having the middle of the dline locked up for the next 4 years or so would be huge. Not to mention even though they might not be the most prolific pass rushers but DB and him would need to be accounted for which will open up 1 on 1s for the ends. So it will help pass rush in the long run. I assume they will also be drafting/signing edge help so hopefully get some help that way too. 

 

What did Jim Harbaugh say about this kid "gift from the football gods" I believe. Not a much better endorsement for a guy. You know he is a certified baller if he is getting praise like that from Harbaugh. Dan Morgan is going to grab him if he is there, if he wants dawgs and big guys who impact football games. Mason Graham is your man.