When a boy becomes a MAN!

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Teams will catch on too. He has been better, but you pretty much had to throw all the tape out prior to the benching. Canales did him a huge favor on that. Going forward there will be new analytics collected on bryce and new gameplans. Thats the point where he has to show real growth. 

It's all underneath passing.  I think most teams will g8ve you that all day long at 6 yards a pop

[Moonraker]

8 minutes ago, frankw said:

I'm genuinely not trying to be abrasive here but to even compare the two situations is an absolute slap in the face to Cam Newton and what he brought to this sorry franchise culture wise.

The people who thought Cam was holding us back were total morons who bit off way more than they could chew and got hit in the face so hard by reality when they finally got their wish of him being gone.

But Cam Newton holds the record for rushing touchdowns for christ sake. He was never holding this team back. The same unfortunately cannot be said for Bryce Young yet.

I agree 100%. Was just making the point that no matter how great or impactful a player is, part of the fan base won't want him.

[OneBadCat]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You are blaming the refs?   Christ almighty 

Yeah 100% . Adam caught the ball. That changes the dynamic of the game entirely. Nothing wrong in saying that. 

[Dragoon11]

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It's all underneath passing.  I think most teams will g8ve you that all day long at 6 yards a pop

Tom Brady built a legacy off taking what the defense gives you. It's all about building cohesion within your system and your receiving group/offensive coordinator and keeping it. If your run game is strong, 6 yards a pop (pass) will win you games if you can connect vertically a couple times. So many variables.

[ECHornet]

3 hours ago, 45catfan said:

I have a feeling we are going to fug around and turn Bryce into our own version of Daniel Jones.  If at the end of 2025 we aren't in the playoffs or at least on the cusp, it will be time to cut bait, period. Signing an extension shouldn't even be on the table for Young.

We have him under contract through 2027 if we want. Plenty of time. 

[CPantherKing]

2 hours ago, jamos14 said:

60 yard TD drive with 30 seconds left to take the lead doesn’t count as clutch?

He didn’t lose the game. 
 

you are moving the goalpost 

 

 

AND

 

led them to FG range in OT before Chuba fumbled.

 

 

How many clutch chances did he have in this game? How many short fields? How many drives did he come up clutch? How many passes did he deliver to keep those drives alive?

Clutch drives are opening drive, 2 minute drive at half, opening drive in 3Q, comeback drives in 4Q, 4 minute drive to close out a lead in 4Q, short field drives on TO, and GWD. This is why you pay a QB at the pro level. Otherwise, just get an inexpensive Sam Darnold type, stack defense and double down on the running game to carry the QB.

Young tanked the opening drive (scripted). Stalled on 2 drives in the final 2 minutes of 2nd half (one was a short field TO chance). Came up empty on the opening drive of the 2nd half. Failed on another short field after a TO. A 3 and out in 4Q while trailing. A go ahead drive for a TD in 4Q with 3 minutes to go. Left too much time on the clock for a 3 point lead.

1 for 7 on clutch drive opportunities & only 2 of 26 completions that resulted in a TD drive. Is this a winning QB, nevermind a championship QB? Consistent success?

We can all agree he was inconsistent in the redzone. 3 of 9 for 21 yds and 0 TDs. 1 rushing TD. 4 redzone visits.

Is this your standard for a franchise QB? I can't change any goalpost when we're staring at the hard facts and not ignoring everything but the few highlights you're gripping tight to.

He is the QB and needs to CONSISTENTLY step up in these moments to be considered a franchise QB. Unless that franchise wants to be a perennial losing organization.

The stats and drives would tell us Young was a factor in the loss given his opportunites. Drive enders outside of Young were Hubbard, Moore, Ekwonu, and Hunt. Moore, Ekwonu and Hunt were only responsible for ending 1 drive each. 13 total drives. Young and Hubbard were responsible for killing 8 drives.

27% of drives need to be TDs to be a good team. The Panthers offense led by Young and Hubbard were at 15.4% against the Bucs. Panthers were 17.4% for TD conversion before today and that will be lowered. The Panthers offense was slightly above Giants and Browns level of offensive production against the Bucs.

That is a clear perspective of where the key offensive leaders, Young and Hubbard, stand as an offense. Coker, Thielen, and J.Sanders have been successful as receivers, but there is no core leader at receiver with Johnson still being the most targeted receiver going into today's game. The offense converted TDs at a higher rate (20%. Better than the Steelers/Texans and just under the Vikings) with Dalton at QB absent Thielen. Keep that in mind too.

Bryce Young highlights and moral victories mean nothing going into year 3. He has every drive to prove himself better than back up QBs in their 30s. Bring performance based numbers and splits to prove these numbers insignificant.

He's not going to be ready to compete in the league at a playoff level for at least 4 more years based on his numbers and low rate of improvement. The defense will have to carry a QB on Young's sub par level to win.

[ChibCU]

26 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

How many clutch chances did he have in this game? How many short fields? How many drives did he come up clutch? How many passes did he deliver to keep those drives alive?

Clutch drives are opening drive, 2 minute drive at half, opening drive in 3Q, comeback drives in 4Q, 4 minute drive to close out a lead in 4Q, short field drives on TO, and GWD. This is why you pay a QB at the pro level. Otherwise, just get an inexpensive Sam Darnold type, stack defense and double down on the running game to carry the QB.

Young tanked the opening drive (scripted). Stalled on 2 drives in the final 2 minutes of 2nd half (one was a short field TO chance). Came up empty on the opening drive of the 2nd half. Failed on another short field after a TO. A 3 and out in 4Q while trailing. A go ahead drive for a TD in 4Q with 3 minutes to go. Left too much time on the clock for a 3 point lead.

1 for 7 on clutch drive opportunities & only 2 of 26 completions that resulted in a TD drive. Is this a winning QB, nevermind a championship QB? Consistent success?

We can all agree he was inconsistent in the redzone. 3 of 9 for 21 yds and 0 TDs. 1 rushing TD. 4 redzone visits.

Is this your standard for a franchise QB? I can't change any goalpost when we're staring at the hard facts and not ignoring everything but the few highlights you're gripping tight to.

He is the QB and needs to CONSISTENTLY step up in these moments to be considered a franchise QB. Unless that franchise wants to be a perennial losing organization.

The stats and drives would tell us Young was a factor in the loss given his opportunites. Drive enders outside of Young were Hubbard, Moore, Ekwonu, and Hunt. Moore, Ekwonu and Hunt were only responsible for ending 1 drive each. 13 total drives. Young and Hubbard were responsible for killing 8 drives.

27% of drives need to be TDs to be a good team. The Panthers offense led by Young and Hubbard were at 15.4% against the Bucs. Panthers were 17.4% for TD conversion before today and that will be lowered. The Panthers offense was slightly above Giants and Browns level of offensive production against the Bucs.

That is a clear perspective of where the key offensive leaders, Young and Hubbard, stand as an offense. Coker, Thielen, and J.Sanders have been successful as receivers, but there is no core leader at receiver with Johnson still being the most targeted receiver going into today's game. The offense converted TDs at a higher rate (20%. Better than the Steelers/Texans and just under the Vikings) with Dalton at QB absent Thielen. Keep that in mind too.

Bryce Young highlights and moral victories mean nothing going into year 3. He has every drive to prove himself better than back up QBs in their 30s. Bring performance based numbers and splits to prove these numbers insignificant.

He's not going to be ready to compete in the league at a playoff level for at least 4 more years based on his numbers and low rate of improvement. The defense will have to carry a QB on Young's sub par level to win.

TL;DR

[CBDellinger]

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

My take as someone who watched from the lower level 50 yard line.  Yes Bryce throws to open receivers.  He knows the playbook really well.   My issue is he doesn't throw outside the hashes and when he does he is wildly inconsistent.  I simply think his style of of game will not win 8n the nfl.   He seems to be the master of underneath passes but pushing the ball downfield is an issue

do the people sitting behind you complain about your giant rainbow afro blocking their view?  

[TheSpecialJuan]

Bryce Young has arrived. I haven't been this excited in years.

[TD alt]

6 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It's all underneath passing.  I think most teams will g8ve you that all day long at 6 yards a pop

And those teams would lose.

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I'm no Bryce Stan, but I have problem giving him his due. Sure, he has sucked so bad that his stats pre-benching are dragging what he's been able to do since, particularly the last three games, but to act like he hasn't actually looked like a QB with real promise for the last month is simply dishonest. All of a sudden (or not), certain Huddlers act like they have no concept of improvement---like they're suffering an inability to compartmentalize games or a group of games, or the inability to mentally separate Bryce's play when juxtaposed against the rest of the team. That's what analysis is all about. From my observation over the now decades of being here, I know that some of you can do it better than you're letting on. Just be honest about Bryce's improvement. He still may not be the future, but based upon his improvement the last month, it's rational to say that he just may have earned a chance to at least compete for the job next season. Of course he has to keep improving and show a level of consistency for the remainder of this season...

[spydaman27]

8 hours ago, frankw said:

Lmfao again. Hey here's another one for you to poo keyboard warrior. Dull the pain. What a sad existence. Hey it's okay I used to be you. Believe in yourself and you can make a change for the better.

Get this guy outta here. 

[spydaman27]

7 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It's all underneath passing.  I think most teams will g8ve you that all day long at 6 yards a pop

6 yards a pop is a touchdown every single drive. 

[csx]

7 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It's all underneath passing.  I think most teams will g8ve you that all day long at 6 yards a pop

11.5 yards per completion Sunday. That's rather high. The problem would be completion percentage here. The stats are easy to find so making poo up won't get you far.

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Edited 2 hours ago by csx

[Billy Goat]

Anyone trying to poo poo his progression at this point is just burying their head in the sand. Sure it's progression from a very low starting point, but there has been big improvement in his play.

He's making throws he was massively overthrowing before. A lot of the throws he's making now are because he has learned to step up into the pocket instead of running around trying to outrun the rush.

I didn't see this improvement happening, but it's nice to see it has. The best thing for the franchise going forward is Bryce Young being good enough to make us a winning team.

Edited 1 hour ago by Billy Goat