Chris Long: Bryce Young Went Toe To Toe With Patrick Mahomes

[NAS]

8 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Jake pre-Tommy Jone had a damn strong arm. Super Bowl TD to Moose is a great example.

After the surgery his arm wasn't the same.

He never threw a tight spiral.   I'm not dissing Jake but I think people got obsessed with having the next Josh Allen or Cam Newton type of arm.  

On the other hand, I find Bryce's ability to throw from multiple angles and with a quick release much more impressive than Anthony Richardson's or Will Levis' arm strength with questionable accuracy.    

Edited 3 hours ago by NAS

[PadresPanthersFan]

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

I do think it's best not to get excited - as you highlight, we've seen great games here and there from otherwise mediocre QBs. But, it's also important to remember the context. That was one of CMC's many combined 100+ yard games for us (close to 150 with 2 total TDs if I recall). While a lot of us acknowledge TB was a decent veteran but not the answer, the point was he WAS a veteran and by the end of that season we knew his ceiling. The hope with Bryce is he continues to grow.

Worth taking a look at how different the passing charts are, too...

All but 8 throws basically within 5 yards of the LoS. 8 throws beyond 10 yards, and with 49 attempts!  

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Only 4 of BY's throws were behind the LoS, Nearly half his passes were beyond 10 yards.

Just a very different depth of target selection.  Bryce was threatening all over the field.

Fwiw, Bryce's TD % this year is pretty close to Teddy's that year - but that's including the two terrible games he started. Over the last 4 games, he's above it, so let's see if he can keep that up.

Also Bryce had 14 less attempts and if tremble and x learn to catch bryces stats wouldve been better than teddy 2 gloves. But as I've said before stats lie. He def passed the eye test. For a game. We did not lose because of him. Now I want to see more

[fanpanther]

33 minutes ago, NAS said:

He never threw a tight spiral.   I'm not dissing Jake but I think people got obsessed with having the next Josh Allen or Cam Newton type of arm.  

On the other hand, I find Bryce's ability to throw from multiple angles and with a quick release much more impressive than Anthony Richardson's or Will Levis' arm strength with questionable accuracy.    

Interesting levis is at 63% completion rate career byoung is 60ish and ar is 50ish

[Seltzer]

33 minutes ago, NAS said:

Bryce literally has a stronger arm than Jake Delhomme ever did and nobody complained about Jake throwing wounded ducks to Smitty. This unhealthy obsession with having a rocket arm is just dumb.  

Bryce threw some beautiful spirals with anticipation and people literally talking nonsense.  

Thank you! The lack of knowledge about what actually constitutes real ball is appalling these days.

I genuinely don't know if it is the fantasy football effect or the general hot-take and instant-gratification culture we live in, but it's almost impossible to have any sort of reasonable discourse with some "fans," especially those that think their reputation for being "right" somehow means something in the grand scheme of things.

Even after Sunday you got the same blowhards with their agenda even after former all-Pros and SB winners (you know, people who have actually done it elitely at the pro level and know what it takes) talk about how impressive it is.

It's our society in a nutshell. Social media has empowered people who have never come close to doing anything somehow feeling like they are experts.

As someone who can actually remember a time before the internet and social media, while it wasn't perfect by any means, people did actually defer for the most part to people who actually knew what they were talking about. 

In short, people were simply more aware of their cognitive limitations.  I think this is abundantly clear to anyone over the age of 40.

Now, people have access to more information than people a generation ago could have hoped for, but with little to zero ability to actually process what they consume or apply any sort of context or analysis to it.

It is what it is I guess. And I know I'm showing my age, but I think discourse on general has devolved in every facet of our lives.

Anyway, great post with objective fact!  I have grown to appreciate these posts exponentially more in the last 5+ years.

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16 minutes ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

We did not lose because of him

We were in it because of him.  Chiefs stacked the box and dared Bryce to beat them and he stepped up big time.  He was not just a game manager on Sunday

[NAS]

3 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Now, people have access to more information than people a generation ago could have hoped for, but with little to zero ability to actually process what they consume or apply any sort of context or analysis to it.

I think this is it.  More information doesn't mean more informed because they don't know how to process and have zero appreciation for nuanced dialogue.  

[kungfoodude]

I am not getting too amped up over this last performance. If he can do that in the remaining games, we have something to work with. If it's more up and down performances with more downs than ups, I am still on the "replacement train."

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Bryce literally has a stronger arm than Jake Delhomme ever did and nobody complained about Jake throwing wounded ducks to Smitty. This unhealthy obsession with having a rocket arm is just dumb.  

Bryce threw some beautiful spirals with anticipation and people literally talking nonsense.  

you have absolutely lost your mind about jake

 

[Seltzer]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not getting too amped up over this last performance. If he can do that in the remaining games, we have something to work with. If it's more up and down performances with more downs than ups, I am still on the "replacement train."

Completely fair stance.

I just can't indulge people crapping on Bryce when he went toe-to-toe with Mahomes and the 2-time defending champs with Adam Theilen and David Moore.

Give the man his due at least for this week. It was impressive.

And, yes, we all want to see it more and more consistent!

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

you have absolutely lost your mind about jake

 

I mean, Jake was not a super strong armed QB. Above average at very best probably more average than above.

Bryce I would say is slightly below average. 

Not massive differences between the two in arm strength.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Completely fair stance.

I just can't indulge people crapping on Bryce when he went toe-to-toe with Mahomes and the 2-time defending champs with Adam Theilen and David Moore.

Give the man his due at least for this week. It was impressive.

And, yes, we all want to see it more and more consistent!

Yeah, taking shots at him after the best game of his career by a very substantial margin is just cringy.

If you just hate the MFer just hate him and be honest about it. Don't cover it in some horseshit hot takes and weak insults.

[Seltzer]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, Jake was not a super strong armed QB. Above average at very best probably more average than above.

Bryce I would say is slightly below average. 

Not massive differences between the two in arm strength.

The art of playing QB is to throw the ball hard enough to get there and as soft/catchable as possible for the receiver.

NFL history is littered with insanely strong-armed passers that coaches were hoping they could teach to be accurate and throw a catchable ball.  Almost all ended in failure. 

Turns out it's a lot harder to teach a QB to be accurate than to have the proper technique to get enough zip on the ball to make the pass.

The NFL isn't Madden. Very, very few games have a lot of opportunities for throwing the ball 40+ yards in the air unless there is a coverage bust.

BY9 has been the least accurate throwing deep (vs short or intermediate), but most of his misses have been long, not short.  

I would love for an actual example where Bryce couldnt get the ball there. 

There are quite a few examples where BY9s mechanics were bad and the ball lacked zip bc of that. Young needs to stick to good footwork to generate the power needed for some throws. That certainly doesnt mean he cant do it, but like someone like Brees, he needs to throw the ball in rhythm and with good footwork.

Young doesn't have an arm that pops like a Josh Allen or Cam, but to act like he can't put zip on the ball is insane and objectively just wrong.

I'm personally pumped as hell to see BY9 develop chemistry, especially with someone like JT Sanders he can trust on jump balls.

Elite QBs have to make throws from the pocket in synch with the play design, but sometimes the play breaks down and you need a guy you can trust to get a jump ball one-on-one to keep the chains moving and the defense honest.

As mentioned, Delhomme somewhat made a living here throwing YOLO balls up to Smitty.

I'm personally excited to see what BY9 can do the rest of the season along with the defense hopefully doing somewhat better.

Given the entire body of work so far, I don't see a scenario where BY9 should be anointed the starter next season (and we need to bring in legit competition), but Young has shown enough since he came back from his benching to play the rest of the season and be back to compete for the starting job next season IMHO.

I'm open to any reasonable debate about that fact. 

Just like everyone else here, I want to see the Panthers win first & foremost. With or without BY9.

Sunday was the first game (maybe GB last year), where Young looked like a guy worthy of the #1 pick. 

I think that is objectively true, even as someone who has been more pro-Young than a lot of this board.

There's a long ways to go before even committing to him as the long-term QB, but these last few weeks have shown the first real signs of promise.

That should be encouraging to everyone who cares about this team.

 

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1 hour ago, NAS said:

Bryce literally has a stronger arm than Jake Delhomme ever did and nobody complained about Jake throwing wounded ducks to Smitty. This unhealthy obsession with having a rocket arm is just dumb.  

[Shotgun]

3 hours ago, electro's horse said:

I think Young will eventually be as good as Teddy if he keeps improving.