Redzone Offense vs. KC by drive

[Icege]

RZ Trip 1

• 4yd rush by Chuba up the middle
• Screen to the right to Thompkins who bounces it to the middle for 3yds
• Cade Mays' false start moves 3rd & 3 back to 3rd & 8 from KC 7 to the KC 12
• End zone corner shot to AT that doesn't link. Throw was to the back corner but Adam wasn't quite there yet. Maybe timing off from being on IR?
• FG

RZ Trip 2

• Reverse to the right by Thompkins for 11yds for the first
• Designed rollout for Bryce. Nobody open. Gets rid of it as the defender gets to him.
• Looked like a designed screen to Tremble to the left, but the LB drifted towards it and Bryce came off to get Chuba coming underneath the middle. Good play by the KC DB. Might have gotten some yardage out of the screen to Tremble.
• Overthrow to David Moore in the endzone. Announcers made a comment about Coker missing, but I think it might have been too high still?
• FG

RZ Trip 3

• Short out route to the right JT. This was the play where the neck injury occurred as he picked up the first down
• Gets hit and throws it up to David Moore in the back left of the end zone. Moore grabs it and brings it in but doesn't hold on to it.
• Over the middle to Tremble who goes up and has it hit him in both hands but doesn't come down with it.
• Airmails it XL's way, likely to try and keep time on the clock for the FG as there was 7sec left in the half when he let go of it with the KC defender beating Moton. Might have had AT to the left.
• FG

RZ Trip 4

• Short out route to the left by XL for 7yds
• Run to the right B-gap by Chuba for 5yds and the first
• Chuba bounces it out to the left for 5yds
• Chuba up the middle for 4yds
• Bryce rolls out right with nobody open. Scrambles OB to the LOS.
• Chuba up the middle for the 4th down conversion and ball on KC 1.
• Another roll out to the right again with everybody covered. Tries to push it back inside to Moore but DB slaps it down.
• RPO to Moore that was a dart for a TD
• Gets the ball to AT for the 2pt conversion but AT gets hit helmet to helmet and drops it, flag on KC tho.
• Tremble false starts pushes the team back from the KC 1 to the KC 6.
• Opt for the PAT instead of 2.

RZ Trip 5

• Chuba up the middle for 3yds
• Checkdown to Chuba in the flat for 2yds. Had Moore short to the left as well but looked like it would have netted the same yardage.
• Icky false start on 3rd & 5 from KC 15.
• Tremble underneath to the middle. Might have been able to hit AT over the top for 6 but gets just 5yds on the play.
• FG

RZ Trip 6

• Chuba off tackle to the right for 1yd and the TD.
• Bryce heaves it up on a prayer as the rush closes in to David Moore who draws DPI. 
• Chuba up the middle for 2 to tie it up.

What was noticeable was the explosive plays leading to the redzone trips today. There was the deep ball to XL to set up RZ Trip 1. RZ Trip 2 was a result of the pass to AT that he took and ran up the left sideline for with XL blocking. RZ Trip 3 was after 21yd throw to David Moore. RZ Trip 4 was courtesy of a penalty on KC following a Chuba run. RZ Trip 5, while technically not an explosive play, was a 3rd & 10 conversion over the middle to Moore. RZ Trip 6 was after the DPI vs. AT on the deep pass.

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

penalties and poor hands is what cost us in the RZ

Bryce missing "high" in the back of the end zone is not an issue, you're taught as a QB to throw high in the back of end zone were only the receiver can catch or no one

The duo of Ian Thomas and Tommy tremble can both go at the end of the season, both been here for multiple seasons and they've barely developed

[Manna]

Bryce played like a grown man today. We didn't punch it in but I felt he made some good decisions to avoid negative plays. 

[Manna]

16 minutes ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

The duo of Ian Thomas and Tommy tremble can both go at the end of the season, both been here for multiple seasons and they've barely developed

Ian Thomas has to stay. Dude is legendary. (/s). Tommy can go as well. One pass hit him in the hands for a TD and he dropped it. 

[Icege]

NFL Pro has the All-22 up already

Going to grab a play or two from each redzone series to put screenshots to.

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RZ Trip 1

• End zone corner shot to AT that doesn't link. Throw was to the back corner but Adam wasn't quite there yet. Maybe timing off from being on IR?

Looks like AT angled his route off to the near pylon rather than the back corner where Bryce was throwing to. I imagine this is something they'll quickly try to figure out with Thielen back from IR.

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RZ Trip 2

• Looked like a designed screen to Tremble to the left, but the LB drifted towards it and Bryce came off to get Chuba coming underneath the middle. Good play by the KC DB. Might have gotten some yardage out of the screen to Tremble.

After watching the All-22 again, this was actually a pretty nifty play. I thought it was a TE screen to Tremble because of the way XL charged the DB, but he quickly shed and kept upfield as seen in the second screenshot. This looks like it had multiple layers built into it with AT running the crosser, XL the fade, Tremble to the flat. The progression would call for the play to go to Chuba here as the LB does follow Tremble out into the flat. Ball hits Chuba low and in the hands, but the LB does a good job disrupting the catch.

Edited November 25, 2024 by Icege

[Icege]

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RZ Trip 3

• Gets hit and throws it up to David Moore in the back left of the end zone. Moore grabs it and brings it in but doesn't hold on to it.
• Over the middle to Tremble who goes up and has it hit him in both hands but doesn't come down with it.
• Airmails it XL's way, likely to try and keep time on the clock for the FG as there was 7sec left in the half when he let go of it with the KC defender beating Moton. Might have had AT to the left.

Bryce put it in a spot only his guy could get it only for David Moore to drop it. T_T

Tremble and Horn both struggled yesterday and that killed me since they're two of my favourite players. Tommy knows he has to come down with this one. Folks were understandably saying that JT would've caught that had he not gotten hurt a few plays earlier.

The more I look at this play, the more I think that Bryce made the right decision throwing it out the back of the endzone. He could have tried to laser it in to Thielen, but that safety is lurking awfully close inside. Insuring the field goal here after a 44sec drive to end the half was the right move.

[Icege]

gdi now I want Bojangles brb then finishing up

[Prowler2k18]

10 hours ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

penalties and poor hands is what cost us in the RZ

Bryce missing "high" in the back of the end zone is not an issue, you're taught as a QB to throw high in the back of end zone were only the receiver can catch or no one

The duo of Ian Thomas and Tommy tremble can both go at the end of the season, both been here for multiple seasons and they've barely developed

Agreed except I’m not giving up on Tremble just yet. He’s a young player and has made enough plays IMO to see what he can do in this offense next season. Thomas has stolen enough money from us; he can kick rocks.

Edited November 25, 2024 by Prowler2k18

[mav1234]

46 minutes ago, Icege said:

gdi now I want Bojangles brb then finishing up

This stuff is great Icege, appreciate it!

Edited November 25, 2024 by mav1234

[ImfromClayton]

RZ stats would look a lot better with less drops. 

 

Pre snap penalties killed us in the RZ today. Ick gotta figure it out. Can't be drafted that high and make those mistakes. He's been really good after the ball is snapped. 

[Icege]

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RZ Trip 4

• RPO to Moore that was a dart for a TD
• Gets the ball to AT for the 2pt conversion but AT gets hit helmet to helmet and drops it, flag on KC tho.

There were a couple of "fans" yesterday saying that this wasn't a helmet-to-helmet shot...

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RZ Trip 5

• Checkdown to Chuba in the flat for 2yds. Had Moore short to the left as well but looked like it would have netted the same yardage.
• Tremble underneath to the middle. Might have been able to hit AT over the top for 6 but gets just 5yds on the play.

Looks like based on where Moore was and where the play ended, he'd have gotten maybe just a yard or two more. Chuba was downed at the KC 16 and Moore was on his way back to the QB, so the offense got what they could for the most part.

After reviewing the all-22, Bryce made the right call here. Tremble was the hot and KC sent both LBs. He gets it out with a clear pocket but it's quickly collapsing. If there was a little more time it looked like AT came free at the end but whether or not Bryce would've been upright still is another story. Smart move to get the completion and keep the field goal in play to stay alive.

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RZ Trip 6

• Bryce heaves it up on a prayer as the rush closes in to David Moore who draws DPI. 

George Karlaftis is about to get himself a big ole hug and Bryce heaves it to where David Moore is going.

Trent McDuffie slipped just a step or two before this shot, but we can see the clear DPI here as he's wrapped around David Moore before knocking him over as the ball gets there.

[Icege]

Oh, and as a bonus:

Saw the same folks saying that AT didn't get helmet-to-helmet say that the refs bailed the Panthers out with this call...

Edited November 25, 2024 by Icege

[trucpfan]

I saw that the refs bailed us out I died laughing the man threw AT never looked back the refs make a normal PI call that every team gets in all situations and out fans were screaming the refs helped us like wtf so they expect we shouldn’t get the same calls as every one else. It was even subjective it was clear as day AT probably pull that in for a TD with no interference but it was clearly a PI 

[SmokinwithWilly]

14 hours ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

penalties and poor hands is what cost us in the RZ

Bryce missing "high" in the back of the end zone is not an issue, you're taught as a QB to throw high in the back of end zone were only the receiver can catch or no one

The duo of Ian Thomas and Tommy tremble can both go at the end of the season, both been here for multiple seasons and they've barely developed

To be fair, have we really developed anyone over the past few seasons? If you look at Luvu and Chinn, I'd say our previous coaching staff has been better at hindering development than helping it.