Forget about Bryce, Dave Canales is who we should be talking about.

[trucpfan]

16 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

That's exactly what I was saying. They were trying to compare the situation of the throw instead of THE THROW itself. 

Yea after reading this thread I felt like I had to add to what you were saying. When having this discussion you can’t say oh he didn’t throw into a double coverage man whoopty f….do but he threw it 40 yards downfield on a rope with pinpoint accuracy that shhhh equals the same dam throw. Give the man his credit we’ve all seen him play like poo for way to long trashed him bashed him etc now that’s he’s actually playing like the player we were expecting and happens to be doing things a number one pick should do can we give him the same Got D… energy we did when we were killing him. He hadn’t arrived but to say he hasn’t done something when there’s clear film he has and can and then move the goal post to oh show me a throw into double coverage knock it off it’s getting close to goofy levels.

Edited Tuesday at 08:01 PM by trucpfan

[Eazy-E]

3 hours ago, trucpfan said:

Yea after reading this thread I felt like I had to add to what you were saying. When having this discussion you can’t say oh he didn’t throw into a double coverage man whoopty f….do but he threw it 40 yards downfield on a rope with pinpoint accuracy that shhhh equals the same dam throw. Give the man his credit we’ve all seen him play like poo for way to long trashed him bashed him etc now that’s he’s actually playing like the player we were expecting and happens to be doing things a number one pick should do can we give him the same Got D… energy we did when we were killing him. He hadn’t arrived but to say he hasn’t done something when there’s clear film he has and can and then move the goal post to oh show me a throw into double coverage knock it off it’s getting close to goofy levels.

Just because the ball travels the same distance doesn’t mean it’s the same throw. Bryce just doesn’t have the arm strength to make those types of throws. He has to put a lot of air under the ball to push it down field which is why a lot of his deep passes are either overthrown or fade out of bounds.

Has he improved, yes, he clearly has but he isn’t all of a sudden going to have an arm that is able to make all of the throws an elite QB is able to make.

[csx]

I'm a lot more bullish on Canales than Young for sure.

[strato]

The reason I was positive about Canales wasn't for him to work with Young, it was what we could get out of the next guy. That he would find the right one and work him up.

He has done wonders with Young and Young gets credit for doing the work too. I still want to give Canales an opportunity to work with better physical traits.

[electro's horse]

1 hour ago, strato said:

 

He has done wonders with Young

He really hasn’t 

[strato]

11 hours ago, electro's horse said:

He really hasn’t 

That poo was a wonder that I saw compared to last year my man. 

[electro's horse]

1 hour ago, strato said:

That poo was a wonder that I saw compared to last year my man. 

A bar so low Bryce could trip over it  

It was similar to the one random good game he had last season. People are just using it as the new starting line to judge him because it fits what they want to happen.

any qb, no matter how dogshit, can have one random good game. See Young, Bryce: 2023

The same people claiming Bryce has turned a corner now said that after Green Bay. 

[strato]

7 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

A bar so low Bryce could trip over it  

It was similar to the one random good game he had last season. People are just using it as the new starting line to judge him because it fits what they want to happen.

any qb, no matter how dogshit, can have one random good game. See Young, Bryce: 2023

The same people claiming Bryce has turned a corner now said that after Green Bay. 

I understand all that. I understand totally that we were conditioned to accept less and be happy with it. If you want to remove wonders and use great job I'm cool with it. 

This is what I see, the track record of his roller coaster like dropoff notwithstanding: his mechanics are night and day. The ball is mostly coming out quicker. If he does not abandon the mechanics in panic he will be consistently better than he was. The ball will go more where he wants it, and get there quicker. 

After that I can't say because what else we have here is a guy who can't see over people but isn't quite fast enough to outrun modern NFL pass rushers for long. He has small margins and has to be 'on' or it won't work so well. He is not good at securing the ball when being hit. And stuff is getting on film and will be dissected. 

I suspect we saw his ceiling or really close to it, and he has to hit that every week. We'll see. 

[Tr3ach]

I will say, I'm not a Bryce hater.  I have seen definite improvement in his play the past few weeks.  Hopefully he builds on it and becomes an elite qb.  In the back of my mind though there is a little voice that says, maybe this is mostly Canales and if he can do this with a player as limited physically as Bryce, what could he do with a young qb who doesn't have as many limitations.    That said, it is probably actually a combination of everything and you've got to give credit to Bryce for coming back from the benching looking the best he ever has. 

[Navy_football]

Bryce Young has not been good as a pro for most of his career. He's been downright horrible at times. Hopefully he's figured things out and is turning a corner as a pro.

But come on with the exaggerations. #1 recruit in his high school class. 2-years starter at Alabama where he won a national championship and the Heisman. Consensus #1 pick in the NFL draft. But the Huddle has decided his physical limitations prevent him from being an NFL caliber QB. Make it make sense y'all. It's best for Carolina if Bryce Young works out and becomes the franchise QB they thought he would be when he was drafted. You can support him without 100% believing he's the guy. 

[Loyalty4Life]

4 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Bryce Young has not been good as a pro for most of his career. He's been downright horrible at times. Hopefully he's figured things out and is turning a corner as a pro.

But come on with the exaggerations. #1 recruit in his high school class. 2-years starter at Alabama where he won a national championship and the Heisman. Consensus #1 pick in the NFL draft. But the Huddle has decided his physical limitations prevent him from being an NFL caliber QB. Make it make sense y'all. It's best for Carolina if Bryce Young works out and becomes the franchise QB they thought he would be when he was drafted. You can support him without 100% believing he's the guy. 

Say less.

[Martin]

14 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Bryce Young has not been good as a pro for most of his career. He's been downright horrible at times. Hopefully he's figured things out and is turning a corner as a pro.

But come on with the exaggerations. #1 recruit in his high school class. 2-years starter at Alabama where he won a national championship and the Heisman. Consensus #1 pick in the NFL draft. But the Huddle has decided his physical limitations prevent him from being an NFL caliber QB. Make it make sense y'all. It's best for Carolina if Bryce Young works out and becomes the franchise QB they thought he would be when he was drafted. You can support him without 100% believing he's the guy. 

You can also support him while admitting he lacks the ideal size and physical tools, it works both ways.

I really liked what I saw the last game, if he can do that again and the redzone issues get sorted out we might have a good enough starter. So that’s what I’m hoping for. 

[outlaw4]

When I look at what I can find, a carryover problem from last season is our receivers are still unable to get enough separation on a consistent basis. Canales is certainly better at scheming them open, like how he sneaked out Thielen for a big play. But then he's also having Thielen running routes he frankly shouldn't be doing anymore. I feel part of the RZ issues is not really having anyone - after trading Diontae - who can make those quick cuts on a short field to give whoever is under center a wider window to throw. We also only have one guy with blazing speed in Thompkins and from what I could see, he's really used more to draw away coverage. I bring this all up because what Canales needs for sustained success - other than QB - is the other receiver pieces we'll be getting in the offseason. 

Otherwise, I have to say that Canales isn't as afraid to be aggressive offensively. As others mentioned, still doesn't run the ball enough at times. Finally, I still feel his playcalls still doesn't line up with his mantra of getting rid of the ball within x amount of seconds. Maybe I count too slow.

Oh, and I'm glad Canales first game after a bye looked good. I feared he'd be like Ron Rivera where we would fall flat on our faces.

[Navy_football]

4 hours ago, Martin said:

You can also support him while admitting he lacks the ideal size and physical tools, it works both ways.

I really liked what I saw the last game, if he can do that again and the redzone issues get sorted out we might have a good enough starter. So that’s what I’m hoping for. 

I agree but that's not what I'm seeing. Lacks ideal is not the same as can't do it because.