If you wanted Danny Dimes here’s the chance

[Basbear]

5 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I would say maybe 8 in a tier by themselves and all but 2 where picked in the top of the first

allen

pat m

stroud

burrow

jackson

hurts (maybe)

Herbert

Stafford

 

I think love belongs at the tail along with purdy(look up his stats any 2022-now he's elite)

 

You got to include dak and goff in the top 10, just numbers and wins, above love and purdy but behind your list. 

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

so fuging weird, its almost like you are related to him or something.  There are 6 fuging years of tape on him and he fuging sucks.  I dont give two shits about his age, his arm, his mobility, a new change of scenery he fuging sucks.  Sorry if you simply dont see it.  Its counterproductive to bring him in for Gods knows what.  So he looks good in practice, so fuging what he sucks when the game clock starts.   And I am pretty damn certain Morgan and canales are not betting their futures on danny dimes.  Your "bottom fishing" method is fuging stupid, its not a plan its throwing poo against the wall to see if it sticks. 

You talk about weapons and the dude had barkley and struggled to win 5 games.   I am not sure why you are dying on this hill but you look like a fool doing it. 

You want stats?   You want to evaluate performance?  Lets compare Jones with Cam Newton.   Crazy, right? 

[kungfoodude]

5 hours ago, MHS831 said:

You allow him to compete--you all are talking as if I am proposing making him the starter. Give him a new coach, new weapons, good OL, etc. and see what happens. You are saying, "Well Damn.  It did not work for 3 guys..."  Right now, our C is injured, we lost our top 2 WRs.  Better question:  If you need a QB, Why would you not take a chance on bringing in a QB who was a former first rounder, a good arm, intelligence, mobility, youth, etc.  and see how he does out of NY--with a better OL, better running game, better receivers.  I am not saying give him a 10-year contract, I am saying give him a chance and if he does not work out, cut him and look for another.  To me, how can you sit there with Bryce and an opportunity to sign a veteran QB on the cheap comes available and you say--"Not us. We're good.  We are waiting for Patrick Mahommes."  Jones' problem is obviously mental--and he has little support.  Why is this so frigging hard to comprehend.  It is called "bottom fishing" and it is better than sitting in the boat.  Not giving him a shot is like a starving man turning down a hamburger because he thinks steak is better.  You draft a QB too--why is this so damn hard--because he sucked on a bad offense?  Most QBs would...Now I do not know why the are cutting him, but if you forget the performance on a bad team, you look at skills and potential--but I assure you, he was verbally abused in NY and it gets to you--crushes your confidence.  Bring him home, let him regroup and see what he can do--why is that so outrageous?  You like Bryce?  You think we are drafting Cam Ward?  What is your plan?

 

Who is thinking, "We are good with Bryce" that has a functional brain?

Jones is also clearly a broken toy. We don't do well with broken toys. 

[csx]

If we were looking for a potential backup for Newton or some other intrenched starter, okay. 

[outlaw4]

So sounds like Jones wants to sign with a playoff contender before season's end.

First off, definitely not us.

Second, that scream more like a guy that would rather ride the coatails of a winner than someone who wants a more viable path to be a starter again.

Third, which playoff team will actually want him? Initial guess is Vikings.

Edited 7 hours ago by outlaw4

[strato]

On 11/22/2024 at 8:45 PM, MHS831 said:

thanks--I don't really keep up with that stuff.  I think people see this as an all or nothing proposition. It is not--if he were to come here, it would have to be on a hometown discount and he would enter as one of four QBs.  We watched Darnold and screamed, "He sucks!"  and he is playing well for the Vikings with a good situation;  We screamed, "Baker sucks!"  and he signed a biggish deal with the Bucs and is a pretty nice fit in their system.  You'd think we'd be willing to take a low-risk chance on this guy.  NY is the worst place to play if you are on a bad team (Ask Aaron Rogers).  The Giants have a banged up and fragmented roster.  Jones is emotionally and mentally drained.  Could he be done?  Yep.  Could he be good somewhere else with better weaponry, coaching, and protection.  Yep.

 

 

Okay so I am reading something in The Athletic and it says that Jones had to pass through waivers. So I don't know.

I looked this stuff up when we were number one there all offseason and I thought it said 4 years in the league got you vested, as they call it. 

Vested gets you out of waivers as I understood it. I probably got something wrong, but when I think about the slack quality of journalism these days I wonder about that.

So I went and looked, again. Well, well. 

For everyone:

"When a player has accrued at least four seasons in the NFL, they are considered a vested veteran. When these vested veterans get cut, they are released and their contract is terminated.

When a vested veteran is released, they are an unrestricted free agent that can sign with any NFL team, and the team that released them doesn’t need to provide any additional compensation."

It runs it all down here, where the quotes came from:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/waived-vs-released-nfl/

As far as Jones, the team turned down his 5th year option so I knew that meant he had 4 years in, because they re-signed him anyway, after turning down the much cheaper extra year. 

The Athletic is owned by the New York Times so I shouldn't be surprised. That paper was an institution once upon a time but they let their standards go.

[strato]

Too late to edit above but the quote is from this Diane Russini article in the Athletic:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5941684/2024/11/23/russinis-what-im-hearing-the-day-the-jets-fell-apart-and-the-broncos-rallied-belichick-best-fits/

Quote

Daniel Jones was released by the New York Giants and is expected to clear waivers by Monday. Teams interested in signing him can do so after 4 p.m. Eastern Time on Monday, though it’s more likely that a signing would occur on Tuesday or Wednesday.

Okay.. there you have sorry I left that out the first post. 

Also waivers keep the contract intact. That is the major difference in released and waived. It's all in that link from the other post.

[Jackie Lee]

43 minutes ago, strato said:

Too late to edit above but the quote is from this Diane Russini article in the Athletic:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5941684/2024/11/23/russinis-what-im-hearing-the-day-the-jets-fell-apart-and-the-broncos-rallied-belichick-best-fits/

Okay.. there you have sorry I left that out the first post. 

Also waivers keep the contract intact. That is the major difference in released and waived. It's all in that link from the other post.

Strange, every news article and tweet I just searched all mentioned waivers. It is definitely his sixth year of at least 6 games. All I was trying to think of earlier was at the vet min could he beat out Bryce in camp next year lol. He's kinda got the old Darnold issue where he can obviously launch deep balls and qb run at a level Bryce will never achieve, but it sounds like he would be content being like a Josh Allen backup who doesn't throw the whole game plan out the window if he has to come in for a series or two. If we had him and for some reason still wanted to start Bryce he would kinda do what Justin Fields was doing the other night with Dangeruss, coming in for designed runs and maybe some play action/triple option rpo things to go deep. That would be so obvious and sad though. At least Russ can still sling it 40 yards in the air with a flick of the wrist

[kungfoodude]

10 hours ago, MHS831 said:

You want stats?   You want to evaluate performance?  Lets compare Jones with Cam Newton.   Crazy, right? 

Ah, the ol Cam Newton hating. 

I will give you credit, the week of pretending to be a Daniel Jones super fan is a very clever way to disguise your hatred of Cam.