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[frankw]

It amuses me how Goff's name the last few years is often used to compare to subpar or underperforming QB's. Now on the surface I get it. But when you look at his numbers he's been the same QB all along. He's improved his completion % but even with the Rams he averaged 63.4. And that Super Bowl he played in they should have won honestly. If we can get a QB as good as Goff I'll be pretty damn pleased.

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, frankw said:

It amuses me how Goff's name the last few years is often used to compare to subpar or underperforming QB's. Now on the surface I get it. But when you look at his numbers he's been the same QB all along. He's improved his completion % but even with the Rams he averaged 63.4. And that Super Bowl he played in they should have won honestly. If we can get a QB as good as Goff I'll be pretty damn pleased.

I know, if you look at how he played in LA vs. Det. , it hasn't changed much at all. Frankly, had nothing changed and Matt Stafford is still there, I am not sure they don't already have a trophy in Detroit. Goff gets way too much credit in Detroit for turning them around. QB was never the problem with Stafford. The team and coaching had to get better and they finally did.

Agreed on Goff. Give me Matt Ryan or Kirk Cousins or fuging Dak Prescott. I can deal with an upper tier guy that you question if he can ever break through to a SB. 

It's a damn sight better than watching a QB that you wonder if he is going to be in the NFL in 2-3 seasons.

[mrcompletely11]

20 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

And it remains to be seen if Goff has that ability or not. Plenty of very good QB's like Goff were not able to get over those playoff humps. Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, etc. You can still be an upper tier QB and never get over that hurdle. McVay just thought(and hasn't been wrong yet) Goff was never going to be that guy.

Goff has a great oline, a great rb tandam, a really good TE, a uber elite wr, another good wr and probably the best OC in the league to pair with a good defense.  I think there are a ton of qbs in this league that could easily win in that situation

[kungfoodude]

26 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Goff has a great oline, a great rb tandam, a really good TE, a uber elite wr, another good wr and probably the best OC in the league to pair with a good defense.  I think there are a ton of qbs in this league that could easily win in that situation

Yeah and he succeeded at an even higher level in LA with an even better surrounding cast. Goff is a guy that isn't really able to dramatically elevate players around him but he can make a good situation even better. He is capable of that. Some QB's aren't. I am not sure Dak is able to do that and he is in a similar "class" as Goff, IMO.

[thennek]

I would take a QB like Goff over any QB the Panthers have played since Cam. There are very few elite QB’s right now: Mahomes, Burrow, Allen might be about it. Stafford was elite but not sure he still is. There are others that could one day have a possibility to be elite. 

[mrcompletely11]

21 minutes ago, thennek said:

I would take a QB like Goff over any QB the Panthers have played since Cam. There are very few elite QB’s right now: Mahomes, Burrow, Allen might be about it. Stafford was elite but not sure he still is. There are others that could one day have a possibility to be elite. 

I would say maybe 8 in a tier by themselves and all but 2 where picked in the top of the first

allen

pat m

stroud

burrow

jackson

hurts (maybe)

Herbert

Stafford

[thennek]

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I would say maybe 8 in a tier by themselves and all but 2 where picked in the top of the first

allen

pat m

stroud

burrow

jackson

hurts (maybe)

Herbert

Stafford

I forgot about Jackson...definitely elite.  The sad part of your list is that 2 of them were 'there for the taking for the Panthers'.  Rumor has it that Hurney loved Herbert and was vetoed on trying to trade up.  And rumor has it that Frank & McCown wanted Stroud.  I believe both rumors.  

[strato]

29 minutes ago, thennek said:

I forgot about Jackson...definitely elite.  The sad part of your list is that 2 of them were 'there for the taking for the Panthers'.  Rumor has it that Hurney loved Herbert and was vetoed on trying to trade up.  And rumor has it that Frank & McCown wanted Stroud.  I believe both rumors.  

The Hurney trade up denial clearly being a mistake in hindsight, likely influenced the big trade up in 2023. That's so Panthers.

[CamWhoaaCam]

We gotta be the only fanbase talking about Daniel Jones as a potential replacement QB lol

 

 

Man this place can be depressing at times.

[strato]

59 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

We gotta be the only fanbase talking about Daniel Jones as a potential replacement QB lol

 

 

Man this place can be depressing at times.

We have one of the only guys Jones might better than, playing every Sunday 'for' us. 

I have never been a fan, didn't watch him in college nor in NYC (or Jersey to be accurate), and I only watched him in the Munich game.

If he comes into focus for the Panthers, I will then look but talk about replacements is going to happen and when you are as poor in the QB department as we are, that will naturally include some iffy players.