If you wanted Danny Dimes here’s the chance

[frankw]

It amuses me how Goff's name the last few years is often used to compare to subpar or underperforming QB's. Now on the surface I get it. But when you look at his numbers he's been the same QB all along. He's improved his completion % but even with the Rams he averaged 63.4. And that Super Bowl he played in they should have won honestly. If we can get a QB as good as Goff I'll be pretty damn pleased.

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, frankw said:

It amuses me how Goff's name the last few years is often used to compare to subpar or underperforming QB's. Now on the surface I get it. But when you look at his numbers he's been the same QB all along. He's improved his completion % but even with the Rams he averaged 63.4. And that Super Bowl he played in they should have won honestly. If we can get a QB as good as Goff I'll be pretty damn pleased.

I know, if you look at how he played in LA vs. Det. , it hasn't changed much at all. Frankly, had nothing changed and Matt Stafford is still there, I am not sure they don't already have a trophy in Detroit. Goff gets way too much credit in Detroit for turning them around. QB was never the problem with Stafford. The team and coaching had to get better and they finally did.

Agreed on Goff. Give me Matt Ryan or Kirk Cousins or fuging Dak Prescott. I can deal with an upper tier guy that you question if he can ever break through to a SB. 

It's a damn sight better than watching a QB that you wonder if he is going to be in the NFL in 2-3 seasons.

[mrcompletely11]

20 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

And it remains to be seen if Goff has that ability or not. Plenty of very good QB's like Goff were not able to get over those playoff humps. Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, etc. You can still be an upper tier QB and never get over that hurdle. McVay just thought(and hasn't been wrong yet) Goff was never going to be that guy.

Goff has a great oline, a great rb tandam, a really good TE, a uber elite wr, another good wr and probably the best OC in the league to pair with a good defense.  I think there are a ton of qbs in this league that could easily win in that situation

[kungfoodude]

26 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Goff has a great oline, a great rb tandam, a really good TE, a uber elite wr, another good wr and probably the best OC in the league to pair with a good defense.  I think there are a ton of qbs in this league that could easily win in that situation

Yeah and he succeeded at an even higher level in LA with an even better surrounding cast. Goff is a guy that isn't really able to dramatically elevate players around him but he can make a good situation even better. He is capable of that. Some QB's aren't. I am not sure Dak is able to do that and he is in a similar "class" as Goff, IMO.

[thennek]

I would take a QB like Goff over any QB the Panthers have played since Cam. There are very few elite QB’s right now: Mahomes, Burrow, Allen might be about it. Stafford was elite but not sure he still is. There are others that could one day have a possibility to be elite. 

[mrcompletely11]

21 minutes ago, thennek said:

I would take a QB like Goff over any QB the Panthers have played since Cam. There are very few elite QB’s right now: Mahomes, Burrow, Allen might be about it. Stafford was elite but not sure he still is. There are others that could one day have a possibility to be elite. 

I would say maybe 8 in a tier by themselves and all but 2 where picked in the top of the first

allen

pat m

stroud

burrow

jackson

hurts (maybe)

Herbert

Stafford

[thennek]

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I would say maybe 8 in a tier by themselves and all but 2 where picked in the top of the first

allen

pat m

stroud

burrow

jackson

hurts (maybe)

Herbert

Stafford

I forgot about Jackson...definitely elite.  The sad part of your list is that 2 of them were 'there for the taking for the Panthers'.  Rumor has it that Hurney loved Herbert and was vetoed on trying to trade up.  And rumor has it that Frank & McCown wanted Stroud.  I believe both rumors.  

[strato]

29 minutes ago, thennek said:

I forgot about Jackson...definitely elite.  The sad part of your list is that 2 of them were 'there for the taking for the Panthers'.  Rumor has it that Hurney loved Herbert and was vetoed on trying to trade up.  And rumor has it that Frank & McCown wanted Stroud.  I believe both rumors.  

The Hurney trade up denial clearly being a mistake in hindsight, likely influenced the big trade up in 2023. That's so Panthers.

[CamWhoaaCam]

We gotta be the only fanbase talking about Daniel Jones as a potential replacement QB lol

 

 

Man this place can be depressing at times.

[strato]

59 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

We gotta be the only fanbase talking about Daniel Jones as a potential replacement QB lol

 

 

Man this place can be depressing at times.

We have one of the only guys Jones might better than, playing every Sunday 'for' us. 

I have never been a fan, didn't watch him in college nor in NYC (or Jersey to be accurate), and I only watched him in the Munich game.

If he comes into focus for the Panthers, I will then look but talk about replacements is going to happen and when you are as poor in the QB department as we are, that will naturally include some iffy players.

[MHS831]

17 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Why would you take a failed QB from a bad team and think he would fare better on a far worse team?

Did it work with Teddy? Dalton? Baker?

If he needs rehab from addiction to sucking, we are not the place for it. This is a Hoover factory.

You allow him to compete--you all are talking as if I am proposing making him the starter. Give him a new coach, new weapons, good OL, etc. and see what happens. You are saying, "Well Damn.  It did not work for 3 guys..."  Right now, our C is injured, we lost our top 2 WRs.  Better question:  If you need a QB, Why would you not take a chance on bringing in a QB who was a former first rounder, a good arm, intelligence, mobility, youth, etc.  and see how he does out of NY--with a better OL, better running game, better receivers.  I am not saying give him a 10-year contract, I am saying give him a chance and if he does not work out, cut him and look for another.  To me, how can you sit there with Bryce and an opportunity to sign a veteran QB on the cheap comes available and you say--"Not us. We're good.  We are waiting for Patrick Mahommes."  Jones' problem is obviously mental--and he has little support.  Why is this so frigging hard to comprehend.  It is called "bottom fishing" and it is better than sitting in the boat.  Not giving him a shot is like a starving man turning down a hamburger because he thinks steak is better.  You draft a QB too--why is this so damn hard--because he sucked on a bad offense?  Most QBs would...Now I do not know why the are cutting him, but if you forget the performance on a bad team, you look at skills and potential--but I assure you, he was verbally abused in NY and it gets to you--crushes your confidence.  Bring him home, let him regroup and see what he can do--why is that so outrageous?  You like Bryce?  You think we are drafting Cam Ward?  What is your plan?

 

Edited Saturday at 07:21 PM by MHS831

[mrcompletely11]

49 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

You allow him to compete--you all are talking as if I am proposing making him the starter. Give him a new coach, new weapons, good OL, etc. and see what happens. You are saying, "Well Damn.  It did not work for 3 guys..."  Right now, our C is injured, we lost our top 2 WRs.  Better question:  If you need a QB, Why would you not take a chance on bringing in a QB who was a former first rounder, a good arm, intelligence, mobility, youth, etc.  and see how he does out of NY--with a better OL, better running game, better receivers.  I am not saying give him a 10-year contract, I am saying give him a chance and if he does not work out, cut him and look for another.  To me, how can you sit there with Bryce and an opportunity to sign a veteran QB on the cheap comes available and you say--"Not us. We're good.  We are waiting for Patrick Mahommes."  Jones' problem is obviously mental--and he has little support.  Why is this so frigging hard to comprehend.  It is called "bottom fishing" and it is better than sitting in the boat.  Not giving him a shot is like a starving man turning down a hamburger because he thinks steak is better.  You draft a QB too--why is this so damn hard--because he sucked on a bad offense?  Most QBs would...Now I do not know why the are cutting him, but if you forget the performance on a bad team, you look at skills and potential--but I assure you, he was verbally abused in NY and it gets to you--crushes your confidence.  Bring him home, let him regroup and see what he can do--why is that so outrageous?  You like Bryce?  You think we are drafting Cam Ward?  What is your plan?

 

so fuging weird, its almost like you are related to him or something.  There are 6 fuging years of tape on him and he fuging sucks.  I dont give two shits about his age, his arm, his mobility, a new change of scenery he fuging sucks.  Sorry if you simply dont see it.  Its counterproductive to bring him in for Gods knows what.  So he looks good in practice, so fuging what he sucks when the game clock starts.   And I am pretty damn certain Morgan and canales are not betting their futures on danny dimes.  Your "bottom fishing" method is fuging stupid, its not a plan its throwing poo against the wall to see if it sticks. 

You talk about weapons and the dude had barkley and struggled to win 5 games.   I am not sure why you are dying on this hill but you look like a fool doing it. 

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

so fuging weird, its almost like you are related to him or something.  There are 6 fuging years of tape on him and he fuging sucks.  I dont give two shits about his age, his arm, his mobility, a new change of scenery he fuging sucks.  Sorry if you simply dont see it.  Its counterproductive to bring him in for Gods knows what.  So he looks good in practice, so fuging what he sucks when the game clock starts.   And I am pretty damn certain Morgan and canales are not betting their futures on danny dimes.  Your "bottom fishing" method is fuging stupid, its not a plan its throwing poo against the wall to see if it sticks. 

You talk about weapons and the dude had barkley and struggled to win 5 games.   I am not sure why you are dying on this hill but you look like a fool doing it. 

I am very sorry you can't comprehend this very simple concept.  The fact that YOU think he sucks is not factored into anyone's evaluation--so you are trying to force your view into fact--the fact is, you kick the tires on every QB until you have one.  Now, enough of this dumbassery.   OK--wanna feel smart?  Tell me what skills he lacks?  Size?  Arm?  Mobility?  Intelligence?  Now---"He sucks" is not a fact or skill.  I am saying if you can get his head right you might have something.  That is all I said--and you think I should be attacked for expressing that perspective.  I even said he is not the only option and if he sucks, cut him.  But you take a look--you don't go full retard and start acting like you know stuff you don't.  That is bullsht, and you are trying to sell it as intelligence.  Buhhaaahaa

 

Edited Saturday at 09:27 PM by MHS831

[strato]

It wasn't great but  the 2022 NYG won 9 of 16 games plus a playoff game. He had a 92.5 passer rating. 15 pass TDs 3200 yards, 7 rushing TD, 700 yards 6 fumbles 3 lost. 

His first season he had 18 fumbles lost 11. Wow. 

Anyhow he had problems in 2023 with injuries and didn't win poo before tearing his ACL.

This year, no Barkley, not good, but you know.... these ACLs take a while and it was right and he throws right so pushes off of it. 

I agree it doesn't hurt to let that guy compete cheap. You don't hand him the job like with Bryce or NYG with him. 

When I look at what we have been saddled with, he doesn't look worse and has the physical advantage. So I don't get the umbrage given our situation.

This "No we won't settle for anything less that the best" attitude and then taking Bryce Young was pathetic and I think that attitude brought us to where we are. That's where that poo gets you. Away from Mayfield, away from Darnold, even away from PJ - just to replace them with an inferior PJ. 

At the same time I am not really advocating for the guy just looking at it objectively. It could be another guy with the same story. And yes the odds of him getting it are low but the numbers and performance from 2022 are for sure better than we see with Bryce even after a season of major propping him up with better players around him.

Take a look don't take a look he fails or he doesn't fail...   to instead sit here and be happier with what we have is bullshit. 

Edited Saturday at 09:30 PM by strato