CBS Sports: Daniel Jones as a potential option for the Panthers to consider.

[kungfoodude]

14 hours ago, Super Grateful said:

I can't start a thread yet, but what about Aaron Rodgers for a year with a rookie sitting behind him?

He's a goner in NY with their GM and coach out.

Someone hasn't looked at the cap hit related to such a move. Not for us, for the Jets. Rodgers will be a Jet until the end of the 2025 season, unless he retires.

I am still hoping he retires and the un-retires to go to the Vikings to complete the Brett Favre reincarnation prophecy. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

Seriously? Of course his performance has been bad or he would not be available--you have to look past performance and look at his fundamentals.  A Wall Street broker would understand that--the most money to be made is buying unloved stocks--stocks beaten down by performance for any number of reasons.  A good investor looks at the sector, the context, the company fundamentals, and if he sees an opportunity for a rebound, he buys that stock for pennies on the dollar.  In this situation, Jones has the following fundamentals and measureables:  Intelligence, arm, mobility, size, age, and experiences that demonstrate he can be effective in better conditions (when his OL was average, WRs good, and RB great).  You folks spit on every idea short of Cam Newton coming back for a third go at it.

Forget his performance--we all know it has not been good.  Most of you were banging the table for D. Watson, if I am not mistaken--where would we be if that happened?  I see that as opportunity to get a "fixer upper" for pennies on the dollar who would come in to compete. However, as I mentioned before about Geno Smith, Goff, Baker, Carr, and Darnold--sometimes the situation is more to blame than the player.  Bringing in Jones would not be the ONLY SOLUTION to the QB problem.  He plays QB on a losing team in NY City that abuses losers.  He is mentally at a low point--I get it--football is very emotional--has a ton of ups and downs, but he has been down far longer than up.  Does that mean that I am saying he is going to be a great QB?  Some of you scholars will draw that conclusion.  I am saying he has all the markings of a beaten down stock that could recover and pay huge dividends to those who saw the fundamentals and took a chance.  I still say draft a QB.  Aside from Jones' fundamentals, the situation in Carolina is ideal for him:  

1. An Offensive line--Carolina has a top 5 OL and it can be upgraded at C.

2. WRs--We need another WR or two, but our rookies are very promising (Legette and Coker).  If Theilen has another year in him and we can acquire one, we could be above average.

3. TE--you have to like what Sanders has shown us, and Tremble (when healthy) is decent.  I think we could add a TE once we say by to Thomas.

4.  RB--Chubbard and Brooks?  Solid.  RB and the run blocking will be essential for a QB like Jones to turn it around. 

5.  A solid D.  Well, we lost our ILB, star DE (Brown), and OLB (Wonnum) to injury. That is about 30% of the defense, and these were the best players. Those would have been the defense's best players, excluding Horn.  We lost Burns  We will add a DT, Edge, and probably an ILB.  We will add a C, WR, and QB.  

His stock is beaten down.  On wall street when that happens, investors look at fundamentals and not performance.  We are not paying for past performance--we are paying for potential performance.  Bring him home and out of the nasty Apple--give him a better supporting cast--and let him mentally recover.  Pennies on the dollar for a potential good qb.  Just needs to get his mind right.

your continued defense of Jones is fuging bizarre and borderline psychotic.

His career stats.

24-44-1 With 9 wins his highest ever.  With Barkley

64%

14000 yards passing going over 3000 just 1 fuging time

70 tds 47 ints to go along with 50 fumbles.  50 fuging fumbles

In short he has 1 season over 5 wins.  1.

Those stats are from someone beaten down, they are from someone that fuging sucks at football

 and you can go back and do research most of us most certainly didnt want Watson

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, SOJA said:

Let me be absolutely clear Daniel Jones is not a franchise QB and I will be furious if we sign him with that intent. That being said, some team somewhere in the league will convince themselves they can rehabilitate him given the recent success of Geno, Baker and Darnold. I just pray we leave that to someone else. 

We aren't a good spot for a "reclamation" project because the distance to starting on a bad team is too short. Go somewhere with zero pressure and an established starter. That is how some of those projects turn around to being potentially solid career backup QB's.

[SmokinwithWilly]

29 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

your continued defense of Jones is fuging bizarre and borderline psychotic.

His career stats.

24-44-1 With 9 wins his highest ever.  With Barkley

64%

14000 yards passing going over 3000 just 1 fuging time

70 tds 47 ints to go along with 50 fumbles.  50 fuging fumbles

In short he has 1 season over 5 wins.  1.

Those stats are from someone beaten down, they are from someone that fuging sucks at football

 and you can go back and do research most of us most certainly didnt want Watson

Most of us that didn't want Watson had reasons that had nothing to do with the football field. 

[Jay Roosevelt]

No.

[Fenrir]

If they sign Daniel Jones, with his horrible play and abomination of a contract, it's time to close the doors on the franchise.

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

your continued defense of Jones is fuging bizarre and borderline psychotic.

His career stats.

24-44-1 With 9 wins his highest ever.  With Barkley

64%

14000 yards passing going over 3000 just 1 fuging time

70 tds 47 ints to go along with 50 fumbles.  50 fuging fumbles

In short he has 1 season over 5 wins.  1.

Those stats are from someone beaten down, they are from someone that fuging sucks at football

 and you can go back and do research most of us most certainly didnt want Watson

Defense of Jones?  You need some reading comprehension skills--I was very clear and my reasoning was logical--to someone who is logical.  You attack the people behind opinions that oppose yours--an adult learns to respect others' views.  So O debated on whether I was going to engage a child in a sandbox, but when I say you cant go on past performance and explain my reasoning-why is your response to insult me using stats from past performance to validate your position?  Duh.  Please do not ask me to go back and research while you make a statement that is obviously void of research.  Duh again--do you realize how hypocritically stupid that is?  You simply are concrete operational, aren't you?  (Research it)

Edited Wednesday at 07:15 PM by MHS831

[mrcompletely11]

22 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

you cant go on past performance and explain my reasoning-why is your response to insult me using stats from past performance to validate your position? 

You are expecting people to simply throw out his past performance because you think he has the tools and was in a bad situation.  We get it.  Thats laughable and if my posting of his stats is insulting then put me on ignore.  His stats are his stats and that motherfuger has no business playing for this franchise.  We are past the point of reclamation projects.  And if you are not using past data as an indicator for future performance then there is simply no helping you

[SmokinwithWilly]

16 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You are expecting people to simply throw out his past performance because you think he has the tools and was in a bad situation.  We get it.  Thats laughable and if my posting of his stats is insulting then put me on ignore.  His stats are his stats and that motherfuger has no business playing for this franchise.  We are past the point of reclamation projects.  And if you are not using past data as an indicator for future performance then there is simply no helping you

It all depends on what you pay and why he's brought here. On a 5M per 2 year contract to fill the Andy Dalton role, that would make sense because he's a backup with the potential to push to start over Young. Should you still look for a QB1? Absofreakinlutely. If he were brought in, neither he nor BY should just expect to be handed the reins to the offense. 

Could he end up being a reclamation project? Sure. But don't bring him in as one and for damn sure don't pay him like he's going to be one. 

 

[PNW_PantherMan]

Go ahead and get your freak outs out of the way now because Danny Dimes will be on this roster in August 2025.  He won't be making nearly the money he is on the Giants but I think he's in camp next year.

[strato]

Don't care that much about him but he is better than Young. Incentives could make a contract work for both sides.

I look at two things, his 2022 season and the time removed from the November 2023 torn ACL and think a case could be made that he'll be right and well healed by 2025.

If the role is strictly defined as mentoring, or up to a half year of being the bridge bridge, I go with Dalton again; if it offers a chance to compete for real I go with a younger reclamation guy. 

This offseason will be Canales' chance to do something, we'll see what he chooses to do. 

[frankw]

There's no need to eviscerate one another over Daniel Jones. The Panthers will do what they do.

All I know is Andy Dalton who the powers that be have acted like he had his whole thumb amputated after playing horrifically against the Bears and Commanders or any other over the hill veteran will not be saving us. The remaining options are all less than ideal to say the least but that's where we're at and everyone should just go ahead and make peace with that.

[tukafan21]

7 hours ago, OldhamA said:

You'd have to drastically overpay.

If he's any good they'll want to keep him - a good backup QB is invaluable. If he's not any good, well there's no real tape out on him yet so they'll want at least the Draft pick they spent on him back. 

Short answer.... no

Full explanation.......

The Lions drafted Hooker as a project QB when they still weren't sure if Goff could be their QB of the future, Goff then went out and had an outstanding season and subsequently was signed to a 4 year, $212 Million contract.  They didn't draft him with the expectation of him being their backup to Goff, he was drafted as a potential long term solution if Goff struggled last year and they decided not to sign him to an extension.  

They are in a SB window right now and for the next few years, if Goff were to go down, turning over a legitimate SB caliber roster to a QB who has thrown 9 career passes would be borderline criminal.  In reality, they should be looking to bring in an experienced backup game manager type of QB who could step in and keep them as close to the same team as possible if they were to lose Goff.  Or hell, if he didn't get a better opportunity, someone like Fields could be real dangerous with that offensive line and RB room they have, just run a modified option offense, good luck stopping that.

The 49ers traded 3 First Round picks to take Trey Lance 3rd overall, then 2 seasons later traded him for a 4th round pick.  And he wasn't even THAT bad in the games he played in, he showed some potential but was clearly still very raw and needed time to develop.  Yes, Hooker is kinda the opposite of Lance in the sense that he had years of starting at a higher level in college and was more developed than Lance, while Lance had more untapped potential, but still, he went from 3rd overall to traded for a 4th rounder.

In no world does a 3rd rounder who has thrown 9 career passes have his trade value increase from where he was drafted 2 years earlier.

For a team that has been as good at drafting as the Lions have been in recent years, a 4th rounder for them could very well be a solid piece of their SB puzzle, likely a DB or pass rusher that they think can fit into their system and be a nice rotation piece. 

Again, unless Hooker is just perfectly content being a career long backup and never the chance to compete for a starting spot, there is a 0% chance he will re-sign with the Lions when his contract is up, so they should and likely will trade him before his contract expires.

Because of that, their best chance at trading him is this offseason as teams would like to have the 2 years left on his deal to see what he could be, not just one season and then need to make a call on whether or not to re-sign him.

Hooker's situation is more like Lance than he would be a Garoppolo who got a 2nd round pick in return for him, as he looked good in a couple starts when Brady was suspended, not to mention he was also drafted a round earlier than Hooker was too.

Edited Wednesday at 09:47 PM by tukafan21

[BombzAway]

On 11/19/2024 at 4:03 PM, Champagnepapi704 said:

Yes let's field a team of all UNC DUKE NC STATE AND WAKE FOREST ALUMNI. 

Don't forget the South Carolina guys as well!