Carolina may not "be sold" on young (per athletic)

[ProcessBlue2]

22 hours ago, Icege said:

Bryce's first two. However, Bryce has as many wins in the last few weeks as Andy has had in the last two years. Saying Andy gives them the best chance to win given that data just doesn't make sense.

1) Dalton had more difficult opponents

2) The defense wasn't playing nearly a good as it is now. 

Dalton would have beat the Saints and Giants by 2 TDs. 

 

[KSpan]

17 hours ago, Growl said:

people will see the signs until it’s made crystal clear and then they will come up with Dave Tepper meddling conspiracies  (which won’t totally be unfair to Tepper, but will be a coping mechanism in this instance nonetheless)

anyone who has seen Bryce and Canales yup it on the sideline should have a hard time believing this is anything other than him trying to push the right coach buttons. It’s worked so they aren’t “fixing” it.

seems pretty obvious that everyone is just in wait and see mode with Bryce. He either plays them out of a top pick and renders a new QB discussion pointless-or he doesn’t, and we’re talking QB. 
 

anyone trying to take more than that from the situation is projecting. 

"Yupping it up on the sidelines" means nothing. A coach can enjoy a player and still not think they're the best for achieving a given goal, in this case winning long term. I'm not saying you're definitively wrong about the shrewd management aspect since that could be the case and none of us on the outside know for sure, but unless Canales is somehow satisfied with the objective performances that have been put on the field and that's all part of the plan then he should absolutely be (will absolutely be if he's a decent coach) looking for someone that can execute the plan better even if he gets along well with Bryce. 

Edited 4 hours ago by KSpan

[TLGPanthersFan]

1 hour ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

1) Dalton had more difficult opponents

2) The defense wasn't playing nearly a good as it is now. 

Dalton would have beat the Saints and Giants by 2 TDs. 

 

Dalton would have beat the Chargers. 

[PadresPanthersFan]

At least young has more panthers wins than Clausen and weinke combined and as many as teddy 2 gloves....

[kungfoodude]

13 minutes ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

At least young has more panthers wins than Clausen and weinke combined and as many as teddy 2 gloves....

Teddy had 4 wins in one season(4-11) versus the ~1.5 seasons of Bryce(4-17). Not sure that is much to write home about.

[CRA]

27 minutes ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

At least young has more panthers wins than Clausen and weinke combined and as many as teddy 2 gloves....

PJ Walker has as many wins as Bryce in 1/3 the starts.  PJ Walker is a better NFL QB and PJ Walker is at best a 3rd string QB. 

 

 

[PadresPanthersFan]

45 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Teddy had 4 wins in one season(4-11) versus the ~1.5 seasons of Bryce(4-17). Not sure that is much to write home about.

When the stats brought up are teddy b, Clausen and weinke I don't think anyone is thinking hof

[KSpan]

13 minutes ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

When the stats brought up are teddy b, Clausen and weinke I don't think anyone is thinking hof

Man, it's a rough group being compared when Teddy is far and away the best of a given set of options.

[CRA]

Carolina Panthers starting QB tiers(in Carolina uniform)

S - Newton

A - Delhomme

B - Collins, Beuerlein 

C - Allen, Moore, Anderson, Darnold, Mayfield, Pete, Testaverde, Walker, Dalton, Bridgewater

D - Young, Carr

F - Reich, St. Pierre, Grier, Lytle, Heincke, Fasani, Clausen

[Joe Bear]

I'd put Beuerlein above Collins. If 1999 Beuerlein had 1996 Collins' defense behind him, that 8-8 team wins 12-13 games.

Second-biggest takeaway from this, after looking at the stats, was how surprised I was to see Bryce Young enters this week ahead of DeShaun Watson in YPA.

[Basbear]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

PJ Walker has as many wins as Bryce in 1/3 the starts.  PJ Walker is a better NFL QB and PJ Walker is at best a 3rd string QB. 

 

 

 

Not only is PJ walker the better QB, but his arm is 3x that of BY. Member when they took Cam out of the game to throw a end of half hail mary- PJ did it. 

I swear this will go down in my fan history book as the greatest mystery, how on earth did Carolina and many other teams, GMs, scouts, HC, etc all have HIM as the clear top QB???? For me it was clearly the opposite. No arm, no speed, no quickness, no size, no strength......but but Bas he's got a elite process.... THATS HIS WORSE ISSUE!!! He's got nothing to put on the table and deserves to be in some semi-pro 7 on 7 league, at best.....

[Basbear]

37 minutes ago, CRA said:

Carolina Panthers starting QB tiers(in Carolina uniform)

S - Newton

A - Delhomme

B - Collins, Beuerlein 

C - Allen, Moore, Anderson, Darnold, Mayfield, Pete, Testaverde, Walker, Dalton, Bridgewater

D - Young, Carr

F - Reich, St. Pierre, Grier, Lytle, Heincke, Fasani, Clausen

 

Part of me wants to put Delhome in S, but that ending was as rough as possible. He still was the most clutch and had more game winning drives than any panther. Its hard

Maybe put Cam in "SS"

and Delhome in "S"

 

I'd spend too much time on this and my memory is falling, so I couldn't trust my list.

 

you forgot Baker, Craig, hell there's too many randos to worry with nevermind...

 

Lastly BY belongs in F