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Cam Newton says being "erased" by panthers has hurt his feelings..

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12 hours ago, strato said:

In the spotlight stealer sense, is how I took it..

his personality and presence is far too large for any backup role on a team. it cannot be controlled or restrained. not a slight on him at all, btw. 

he's not going to be a starter anywhere....not for very long. his shoulder just wouldn't be able to handle it. 

any vet QB he is teamed with in a starter role will have to compete with him for leader role. his presence will distract people just because people will naturally gravitate towards him or have an ear out for him. 

newer QBs that are trying to build their presence as a leader won't stand a chance with him there. 

he is not a guy you can have on a team that is building. on a team that is competing, he automatically takes the spotlight and attention from the team. he becomes the focus. that's not by his doing. this is just the natural by-product of having him on a team.

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and i can understand not celebrating his career until he puts in the retirement papers. 

he hasn't been forgotten. as soon as he files retirement papers, he'll be celebrated. and the sooner he can get his yellow jacket. 

if he's hoping he'll get picked up by someone, it's not happening if it hasn't happened in the past couple years. 

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1 minute ago, rayzor said:

his personality and presence is far too large for any backup role on a team. it cannot be controlled or restrained. not a slight on him at all, btw. 

he's not going to be a starter anywhere....not for very long. his shoulder just wouldn't be able to handle it. 

any vet QB he is teamed with in a starter role will have to compete with him for leader role. his presence will distract people just because people will naturally gravitate towards him or have an ear out for him. 

newer QBs that are trying to build their presence as a leader won't stand a chance with him there. 

he is not a guy you can have on a team that is building. on a team that is competing, he automatically takes the spotlight and attention from the team. he becomes the focus. that's not by his doing. this is just the natural by-product of having him on a team.

That is in the context of joining a team to play football. . 

This has turned into a discussion of specifically why Cam and the organization have issues, not as much why he wasn't in Germany when the other ex players were. Which seems to possibly have a practical explanation.

Personally - when he put the blame on the organization in defense of Bryce and it isn't Bryce's fault he showed me something. Not sure what, but it was some sort of agenda.

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7 minutes ago, strato said:

That is in the context of joining a team to play football. . 

This has turned into a discussion of specifically why Cam and the organization have issues, not as much why he wasn't in Germany when the other ex players were. Which seems to possibly have a practical explanation.

Personally - when he put the blame on the organization in defense of Bryce and it isn't Bryce's fault he showed me something. Not sure what, but it was some sort of agenda.

was invite sent out or did the panthers pay for the trips of former, non-retired players to go to Germany? If there was, then there's a problem that goes beyond the Cam issue, because that's inappropriate in the first place. 

Was he told not to go? 

i'm just wondering how he was "slighted" or how he feels slighted.

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lol I went through 7 pages expecting someone to explain this by now. This coming from a huge Cam fan.
Luke, TD, Jake, Steve all have things in common.. they are retired, with no possibility they'll play for another team. It's just not what the majority of social media teams do.

Also this can't be overlooked, we have a massive fanbase that wants to see Cam solve our CURRENT problems.

So if we're posting all of his highlights, bringing him around etc. the org and social team has to deal with all of the 'Bring him back!' conversation. I personally believe if he were to retire it would be different.

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I love Cam, and want the org to celebrate him, but they've told him why things are how they are (he isn't retired) and he says he just isn't going to and expects them not to care... I get he's never playing again, but just sign the papers to retire and call their bluff...

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19 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I think it's completely because of our QB situation, it's so bad that having someone like Cam around for things will only showcase how much we've screwed up the QB situation since him.

The important thing is that the fans will always love him, and I'm sure he is aware of that and will be back in the fold at some point.

That's my Quarterback!

Yeah and eventually Steve Smith came back into the fold. Tepper won't last forever and when he is gone, Cam will get the respect he deserves.

It's just sad that a hypersensitive manchild like Tepper holds some fuging grudge against Cam despite the fact that it was Tepper who was pushing to get rid of him all along.

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2 hours ago, PantherBoy95 said:

lol I went through 7 pages expecting someone to explain this by now. This coming from a huge Cam fan.
Luke, TD, Jake, Steve all have things in common.. they are retired, with no possibility they'll play for another team. It's just not what the majority of social media teams do.

Also this can't be overlooked, we have a massive fanbase that wants to see Cam solve our CURRENT problems.

So if we're posting all of his highlights, bringing him around etc. the org and social team has to deal with all of the 'Bring him back!' conversation. I personally believe if he were to retire it would be different.

this has been mentioned/explained. 

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18 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You really weren't right about the reasons why his career was shortened though  It wasn't from the running and it wasn't from being unable to effectively run anymore from the wear and tear like happens to RB. It was a fluke injury to his throwing shoulder because of an INT caused by his #1 WR quitting on a route. Then what was left of his shoulder got destroyed by a hit suffered from passing as a pocket QB behind a shoddy OL.

If anything, it proved the "Cam is going to have a short career because his running will cause him to age like a RB" wrong. Cam's career wasn't shortened because his running ability declined. It was shortened because he lost his ability to effectively throw the ball. His running was secondary to his passing all along and it took losing his throwing ability to demonstrate that. Cam very well could've adapted to not being able to run as well as he aged. He proved to be a much more efficient passer (68% completion rate) in Norv's offense than mose thought he could be. But he couldn't adapt to no longer being able to throw the ball effectively down the field.

Injuries add up.  The event that caused an injury possibly occurred long before you or I think it did.  I played in college and I had an injury to my shoulder during week 1.  I played the rest of the season, and then it went out during Spring Practice--based on recurring damage.  I had a locker room full of players nursing injuries and any trainer will tell you that they do not happen all at once.  So to call someone wrong without understanding the wear and tear is arrogant.  Furthermore, you can injure your achilles favoring a banged up knee for example.  That is how "wear and tear" happens.  You know what you read in the papers, and that is fine---just don't call others wrong unless you know the whole story about how "wear and tear" impacts a player.  And let's not forget that you have the benefit of hindsight--I was telling you what I said at the time--big difference.  Did you play the game?

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Well, I hate to side with Tepper or sound like it because I really wish he were not here, but if you take the most current thing in isolation, Cam was very critical of the organization over the Bryce benching. Defended Bryce with the same criticism that came from the ESPN bunch.

That doesn't get you free trips to hang out with the team. So there is something that needs fixing.

 

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