Our rookie class on offense looks promising

[pdub0702]

Hopefully the I-formation returns and the Fullback position makes a return. 

[L-TownCat]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Defenses are playing two deep safeties and taking away the passing chunk plays.  Teams have undervalued the running backs so much that I think teams have gotten too one dimensional and the teams that can run the ball will be more effective this year

It’s all cyclical, too big and slow?  Get smaller faster WRs and beat them deep.

Get small and quick on Defense?  Beef up the oline and run it right at them.

We’ll be back in the wishbone triple option soon.

[BullCityP]

2 hours ago, frankw said:

Ok drop it down to 220 yards per game and that is a top 20 QB. And if you think asking for that from your first overall pick is too much an ask then you don't have a QB.

Ok now show me the list of those QB's who did that in their SECOND year....don't worry I'll wait 

[frankw]

25 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Ok now show me the list of those QB's who did that in their SECOND year....don't worry I'll wait 

CJ Stroud in his second year and rookie Jayden Daniels are both chillin right there in the thick of that list. You might need to see an optometrist my guy.

Edited November 12 by frankw

[outlaw4]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

uh..... no.

I'm sure people will take this as me just pushing to draft T-Mac still, but it's not, we BADLY need a true outside #1 WR, whether it's my guy or someone else, it's a HUGE need, especially since we're not going to have an elite QB next year, we need to get the pass catching options to improve our QB play, no matter who that ends up being.

I love the potential of XL and even Coker, but if you would take your Panthers fandom goggles off for a moment and look at it objectively, our two leading returning WRs for next season hav 284 and 263 yards through 10 games.  

I don't care how good or bad the QB play is, that's a bottom 5 WR room in the NFL, if even that high.  Off the top of my head, the Browns, Patriots, and Raiders are the only teams with a worse WR situation going into next year as of right now (there could be others, but I haven't actually thought about it).

XL's ceiling is likely as a lower end #1, but that would make him an elite #2.  I've likened him more as the Waddle/Higgins than the Tyreek/Chase (in terms of role as the Robin to Batman, not style of play)

Coker, while we all think he can turn into something, is nowhere near good enough to go into next season as our #2 to XL's #1.  Realistically XL should be the #2 with Coker being the #3, and that still could be asking a lot from Coker at this point in his career.

In today's NFL, you're not going to win many games with below average QB play and XL/Coker as your top two WRs, it's nowhere near good enough to be competitive over the course of a season.

I still feel trading Diontae was the right call, but it does leave a hole. I like the promise of XL/Coker but I don't see either as the fast shifty guys that can get open underneath quickly and get a lot of YAC afterwards. There is promise that if we could get guys like Coker for basically nothing, then we can do the same next draft, so that we can use valuable draft capital elsewhere.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, outlaw4 said:

I still feel trading Diontae was the right call, but it does leave a hole. I like the promise of XL/Coker but I don't see either as the fast shifty guys that can get open underneath quickly and get a lot of YAC afterwards. There is promise that if we could get guys like Coker for basically nothing, then we can do the same next draft, so that we can use valuable draft capital elsewhere.

I wouldn't be surprised if his attitude doesn't show up at some point with his new team and direct us back to that discussion

[Davidson Deac II]

5 hours ago, BullCityP said:

It's ALOT of vets on that list It's like it kinda took them some time to get to that point but I may be tripping lol

And in the case of the guy at the top, it took a long time for him to get to that point.  

[PappyMay]

I agree about us needing a shifty player. If can’t land a bigger fish Tutu Atwell has some wiggle and could be a solid #3. Probably wouldn’t cost a ton. Tez Johnson in 3rd or 4th is who I want because Aswell. 

[Basbear]

4 hours ago, pdub0702 said:

Hopefully the I-formation returns and the Fullback position makes a return. 

Before his concussion deal, tremble would have been a good FB. 

I think that's what Dave needs, I seen sanders acting as one a few times and thought- wtf??

[Panthero]

6 hours ago, frankw said:

Ok drop it down to 220 yards per game and that is a top 20 QB. And if you think asking for that from your first overall pick is too much an ask then you don't have a QB.

poo balls yall, we had darnold and mayfield!!!

[outlaw4]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I wouldn't be surprised if his attitude doesn't show up at some point with his new team and direct us back to that discussion

Even if attitude isn't an issue, they better hope he can at least produce on the field soon. Funny enough, he gets a revenge game against the Steelers this week. 

I still think Diontae being here did provide some value in that, yes, someone like him adds value to this offense in terms of explosive plays. That needs replacing.

[frankw]

2 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

And in the case of the guy at the top, it took a long time for him to get to that point.  

Dig into his career numbers.

In his early days with the Jets his yards per pass attempt was 6.9

With Seattle his YPA is 7.4

He's always been pushing the ball downfield.

What changed more than anything with him is he improved his accuracy and decision making.

[tukafan21]

5 hours ago, outlaw4 said:

I still feel trading Diontae was the right call, but it does leave a hole. I like the promise of XL/Coker but I don't see either as the fast shifty guys that can get open underneath quickly and get a lot of YAC afterwards. There is promise that if we could get guys like Coker for basically nothing, then we can do the same next draft, so that we can use valuable draft capital elsewhere.

Trading Deontae was 100% the right call, as he's not a #1 either and we weren't going to re-sign him, but we still got an awful return for him (thankfully the Mingo trade made up for it).

And yes, we need that smaller shifty WR, but we also need a true outside #1 as neither XL or Coker are that.

That's why I think T-Mac is a perfect fit for us in the early 1st round as that outside #1, Coker and XL could both play on the other outside and in the slot, and find a small shifty WR to work from the slot too, with Sanders, Brooks, and now Hubbard with the extension, plus our OL, is an offense that can succeed with a good game manager type of QB and not need a superstar.

[CamWhoaaCam]

4 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Trading Deontae was 100% the right call, as he's not a #1 either and we weren't going to re-sign him, but we still got an awful return for him (thankfully the Mingo trade made up for it).

And yes, we need that smaller shifty WR, but we also need a true outside #1 as neither XL or Coker are that.

That's why I think T-Mac is a perfect fit for us in the early 1st round as that outside #1, Coker and XL could both play on the other outside and in the slot, and find a small shifty WR to work from the slot too, with Sanders, Brooks, and now Hubbard with the extension, plus our OL, is an offense that can succeed with a good game manager type of QB and not need a superstar.

The problem with Tmac im almost certain he will go top 5 and I can't see either Jacksonville or New England passing him up.

 

I think in a perfect world we draft either Tmac or Hunter, but they interviewed Prime on Speak today and he said he will have a say in where Sanders and Hunter play. So I'm not even sure if Hunter is a option now lol.