Thomas Brown an OC Again

[outlaw4]

3 hours ago, NAS said:

Thomas Brown and Caleb Williams just put up this passing chart

Caleb Williams did not complete a single pass beyond 6 yards downfield until the final drive of regulation in the Bears’ TNF loss to the Seahawks.

Under 10 AY: 15/17, 107 yards (+4.5% CPOE)
Over 10 AY: 1/9, 15 yards, INT (-27.2% CPOE)
 

Looks so much like a lot of 2023 Panthers pass charts. 

1 hour ago, toldozer said:

That clock management on the last drive and not attempting the long tying fg was real real bad. % on making that kick had to be higher than picking up 4th and 10 when you'd score 3 pts all game

When a franchise fires the last guy for bad time management, yesterday likely sealed Brown's fate. Also the fact this is the second rookie QB he has struggled to work with, that's a big black mark on his resume regardless of how much of the responsibility falls on him.

14 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Caleb will be fine with the right coaching in my opinion. Thomas Brown ain't it. He'll never reach his potential being handcuffed. The young man is talented, but he holds on to the ball entirely too long. He's got to learn that the NFL is a different animal. 

Caleb needs protection more than anything else. Yes, some of that is on him but there were times when he had no chance.

Caleb's body language is really worrying, though, because if there's one definite advantage Bryce has over Caleb, it's the mental part. Caleb had some moments during his senior year that had me worried whether he could handle adversity at the highest level. Not to say he can't suddenly play better if/when things improve, but it may be tougher for him.

[WhoKnows]

On 11/12/2024 at 6:51 PM, Davidson Deac II said:

There are a handful (a very small handful) of NFL qb's in history that were able to handle it.  Cam Newton, mainly because of his size and strength.  Jayden seems to be doing ok but that is because he had an almost idea setup and he played a lot more games in college than the majority of these guys do. But If he were in Chicago, not sure he would be doing any better than Williams.      

Most of the NFL greats (Brady, Montana, Mahomes, Bradshaw, Staubach etc...) sat for a while.  There is this myth that today's qb's are able to play right away because of what they did in college.  It ain't true.  

 

Small handful? There are dozens of QBs that started their rookie years and your examples are a bit of a stretch as proof:

Brady - 6th rounders don’t usually even make a team yet he became the starter year 2.

Mahomes - like Rodgers, he was drafted into a team with a playoff QB already entrenched and

Bradshaw - Started 8 games his rookie year.

Montana - like Brady, 3rd rounders QBs are absolutely not expected to start their rookie year and most times they don’t ever become starters. He became the starter year 2.

Staubach - this is a silly example. He was a 10th rounders pick because he spent 5 years in the military after Navy. He didn’t play football for 5 years and he’s an example of a QB not starting as a rookie?

Here’s a bunch of examples of successful QBs that were rookie starters since Cam and some old ones I remember: Elway, Marino, Aikman, the entire Manning family, Newton, Stroud, Lamar, Wentz, Goff, Mayfield, Allen, Stafford, Lawrence, Mac Jones (jk), Watson (before happy endings), Tannehill, Luck, Burrow, Herbert and Tua. There’s even less than successful QBs who were rookie starters like Murray, Trubisky, Jones, Winston, Mariota, Bortles, RG3 and maybe Bryce. Heck, Winston and RG3 went to the pro bowl his rookie year.

[electro's horse]

[electro's horse]

This was the best post about the bears from last night. From another forums 

“i'm so high that i've been kinda sitting here after the interception doing that weird laugh like you'd hear in a pink floyd song”

[*FreeFua*]

8 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

I’d be curious to see where Caleb ranks on pass attempts behind the LOS

I feel like Thomas Brown calls a crap load of this stuff to try and keep some of his WR’s engaged particularly DJ Moore. Caleb’s downfield accuracy is some of the worst I’ve ever seen 

Stats back that up

Jeez

[Navy_football]

11 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Stats back that up

Jeez

Rookie in a bad offense. They have weapons so just need to figure out how to best get them the ball.