Best Offensive Line in Years

[countryboi]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Jonathan Brooks is going to need to be really good for me to get over my anger about passing on Zack Frazier.

I don’t know if he’ll ever be good enough, considering how much a high-level center could elevate this team.

[RJK]

9 minutes ago, countryboi said:

I don’t know if he’ll ever be good enough, considering how much a high-level center could elevate this team.

I mean I’ve been really impressed with the plug and play centers this year. Usually that’d be a nightmare but it’s hardly noticeable 

[Captain Morgan]

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

 

You got to believe some team or teams are going to toss bags of money at Christ. His 2022 LG tape is top tier. He's shown upper level play at C and LT without reps. 

 

I'd almost say if the Panthers were in great cap shape- tag the guy. *with intention of trading him 

He's going to get some 5 years 80 million deal, if not more. 

 

if tag and trade, what could we get for him?  A late 3rd?

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

 

You got to believe some team or teams are going to toss bags of money at Christ. His 2022 LG tape is top tier. He's shown upper level play at C and LT without reps. 

 

I'd almost say if the Panthers were in great cap shape- tag the guy. *with intention of trading him 

He's going to get some 5 years 80 million deal, if not more. 

He will not get even remotely in the ballpark of that. This is the classic Panthers fans overvaluing the home team guys.

Most likely he will be very affordable as a starter or backup.

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

 

if tag and trade, what could we get for him?  A late 3rd?

Tag is pure insanity. It will never happen.

[TheSpecialJuan]

52 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Jonathan Brooks is going to need to be really good for me to get over my anger about passing on Zack Frazier.

PFF:Ranking the best NFL rookies after Week 10

11. C Zach Frazier, Pittsburgh Steelers

PFF Grade: 77.9

Frazier returned from injury and had his lowest-graded game of the season in Sunday’s win over the Commanders, but he remains one of the top rookies in the league. He has allowed just four pressures from 242 pass-blocking snaps and has earned a 79.8 PFF run-blocking grade from seven games.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

PFF:Ranking the best NFL rookies after Week 10

11. C Zach Frazier, Pittsburgh Steelers

PFF Grade: 77.9

Frazier returned from injury and had his lowest-graded game of the season in Sunday’s win over the Commanders, but he remains one of the top rookies in the league. He has allowed just four pressures from 242 pass-blocking snaps and has earned a 79.8 PFF run-blocking grade from seven games.

That was my dude. Cannot believe we passed on him for a fuging RB.

[Basbear]

29 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

 

if tag and trade, what could we get for him?  A late 3rd?

 

That's about right and worth more than zero. The list of tag and trades for close in value - our own clowney, Javis Landry, Yannick Ngakoue

BY size chance, Im mainly praising him and Morgan should know his value well enough. LTs get PAID and there's only around 14 of them the rest are acting like LTs. 

 

23 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He will not get even remotely in the ballpark of that. This is the classic Panthers fans overvaluing the home team guys.

Most likely he will be very affordable as a starter or backup.

 

This could be a classic and Im a sucker for classics (truth told). 

If he keeps playing LT at a high level, you will be in shock at dem contract zeros, brother!

lewis got 4 yrs 53 and hunt got 100 million. Neither of them could play LT and I have huge doubts about either at C. What christ did moving from C to LT within one week and not miss a beat, that my friend is pure talent. Talent gets PAID in the NFL. 

You may even start up trading Icky and drop a bag for Christ rumors...... Im willing to bet right now he gets over 10mill per/ 

Edited yesterday at 01:09 AM by Basbear

[RJK]

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That was my dude. Cannot believe we passed on him for a fuging RB.

And it just made sense after spending on the guards to shore up the interior for years. Instead they took an injured player at a position they were set at. Panthers gonna panther 

[Basbear]

35 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That was my dude. Cannot believe we passed on him for a fuging RB.

 

18 minutes ago, RJK said:

And it just made sense after spending on the guards to shore up the interior for years. Instead they took an injured player at a position they were set at. Panthers gonna panther 

My issue too is form Icky to Hunt you would have had young studs under contract control for the next 3 years, unreal if you have that on a NFL team. 

 

I promise you RBs, WRs, TES, and even QBs would be telling their agents- "I want to play for the Panthers, make it happen!"

Edited yesterday at 01:28 AM by Basbear

[chbright]

yeah Frazier was my dude. strong nasty, technical C. lots of playing time. but got a RB for a few games this year and 3 mnore years after. oh and signed a RB long term this year too.

brooks got to be damn good for that to be worth it now. and while i think he can be a bellcow, it make investing in all the RBs vs other area an issue.

we have one of the better lines atm. if it was frazier at C, my goodness we would be set for a long while.

this year has a 2 OC im looking at Jake Majors , and Bryce Foster (massive, nasty streak, really want) 

[strato]

13 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Jonathan Brooks is going to need to be really good for me to get over my anger about passing on Zack Frazier.

I think they were very wary of putting a rookie in front of Young. Given what he looked like the first two games, I guess it wouldn't have mattered who was in front of him. Good or bad, same QB.

But I think that is what that hangup was and kind of always did. Anyway, whatever the reason they were sticking to their plan and it wasn't a rookie C. 

In general this situation on the OL is much better because not only do these players directly and immediately pay off, they raise the bar for the backups too. Hopefully, because having elevated standards for the group is something that could have a payoff past just this year or next. 

 

[kungfoodude]

13 hours ago, Basbear said:

 

That's about right and worth more than zero. The list of tag and trades for close in value - our own clowney, Javis Landry, Yannick Ngakoue

BY size chance, Im mainly praising him and Morgan should know his value well enough. LTs get PAID and there's only around 14 of them the rest are acting like LTs. 

 

 

This could be a classic and Im a sucker for classics (truth told). 

If he keeps playing LT at a high level, you will be in shock at dem contract zeros, brother!

lewis got 4 yrs 53 and hunt got 100 million. Neither of them could play LT and I have huge doubts about either at C. What christ did moving from C to LT within one week and not miss a beat, that my friend is pure talent. Talent gets PAID in the NFL. 

You may even start up trading Icky and drop a bag for Christ rumors...... Im willing to bet right now he gets over 10mill per/ 

He has been slightly above average at LT and significantly less impactful than at C.

That isn't worth the money you are talking. If he was actually worth that, we would have fielded lots of offers at the trade deadline.

[Icege]

On 11/12/2024 at 8:59 AM, kungfoodude said:

We are allowing 1.8 sacks per game and 6 of them were in Bryce's first two games when he was the primary reason for the overwhelmingly majority of them.

Was curious about this since I've seen a couple of Huddlers (not you) blame the 60+ sacks last season solely on Bryce. For anybody that would like to review all of the plays that Bryce Young has been sacked on this season, click here (NFL Pro, will need an NFL+ account iirc?).

• 1st sack: Took place in week 1 vs. NO in Q2 with 13:08 remaining in the half on 3rd & 10 from the CAR 41. Ball gets snapped, Saints blitz 7 and the CB comes off of the edge unblocked. Before somebody tries to say that Bryce should've thrown it to Mingo, Mingo didn't turn around for the ball until Bryce was already sacked as he was running a corner route.
• 2nd sack: Takes place with 1:45 left in the second half. 3rd & 6 from the CAR 19. Saints blitz five and the DB flies passed Robert Hunt untouched for the sack.
• 3rd sack: Comes @ 5:49 in Q3. 2nd & 3 from NO 3. Bryce has to scramble to the left as nobody is open to the right and there are defender in the backfield. Scrambles OB at the 3 but they credit it as a sack for Demario Davis who chased him out. Can't blame Bryce for this one as Diontae was casually strolling into his break when the defenders collapsed the right side.
• 4th sack: 12:14 left in the game, 3rd & 8 @ CAR 34. Saints CB Alontae Taylor notches his third sack of the game by running through a chip block from Miles Sanders.
• 5th sack: vs. Chargers, Q1 6:22, 3rd & 5 from CAR 33. LAC sends six and the DB immediately beats Chuba to flush Bryce out to his left just as JT Sanders starts to come across the middle of the field. Bryce has to roll to his left and sees Adam Thielen streaking down the middle of the field with the safety rolling left to help the CB with XL but gets sacked beforehand. Even though Chuba got beat to start, Bryce took a little too long recognizing and winding up. There is more than a fair argument to say that this sack is half on Bryce as he could have kept scrambling upfield to leave the team within field goal range or recognized Thielen coming up sooner, but it's difficult for me to put it all on him as Chuba getting beat to start set everything in motion.
• 6th sack: Totally on Bryce. Held the ball too long and didn't try to get it to a couple of guys that were NFL open. No question.

Conclusion: Bryce was only responsible for 1.5 - 2 of the first 6 sacks this season. Primary culprits imo were failed blitz pick ups by the RBs (twice) and a new OL that didn't get as many preseason reps as they might have needed to gel.

Edited 18 hours ago by Icege