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4 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

No you're missing my point which is you don't have to lose ON PURPOSE to get a good player. Play to win and let the chips fall where they may. No need to get rid of the few good players you already have to tank, just keep building your team by drafting well. 

I'd rather pick top 5 than middle 15 any day what's the benefit of winning 2 games against the saints and giants

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1 hour ago, WhoKnows said:

See my post above. We tankers get all the you aren’t a fan of you want to get a higher draft pick but damn we’ve given up generational talent because of some meaningless wins coupled with even worse drafting/trading of picks.

The “real” fans can’t seem to get that we are two wins in 2019/2020 away from having Herbert throwing to Chase every week and still having CMC and Moore along with the picks we wasted on Corral, Darnold and Young. We’d be a solid playoff team even with Rhule and Fitterer.

question i keep asking everyone...do you tell the players to just not try so hard? Do you tell the coaching staff to throw games by calling bad plays or keeping good players off the field? 

how do you accomplish this? 

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6 minutes ago, rayzor said:

question i keep asking everyone...do you tell the players to just not try so hard? Do you tell the coaching staff to throw games by calling bad plays or keeping good players off the field? 

how do you accomplish this? 

Same way you tell the team those 2 wins against the saints and giants will bring us a winning culture 

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Just now, Champagnepapi704 said:

Same way you tell the team those 2 wins against the saints and giants will bring us a winning culture 

So you're going to tell Robert Hunt to phone it in against the Giants because you want to be one spot ahead in the lotto ticket line?

Good luck with that.

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2 minutes ago, Icege said:

So you're going to tell Robert Hunt to phone it in against the Giants because you want to be one spot ahead in the lotto ticket line?

Good luck with that.

I'm gonna tell him 2 pointless wins against the saints and tanking giants will bring a winning culture for the next 10 years and 10 years of playoffs

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4 minutes ago, Champagnepapi704 said:

I'm gonna tell him 2 pointless wins against the saints and tanking giants will bring a winning culture for the next 10 years and 10 years of playoffs

Good luck with... whatever it is.

It's one thing to want the team to get better draft positioning, but it's another to completely disregard reality for the sake of arguing.

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20 minutes ago, rayzor said:

question i keep asking everyone...do you tell the players to just not try so hard? Do you tell the coaching staff to throw games by calling bad plays or keeping good players off the field? 

how do you accomplish this? 

I've already explained this. You put the team in a worse position to win as HC or GM. Whether that's putting players on IR who could still play, calling vanilla game plans, or putting in younger guys for PT. Doing it at week 3 is damn near impossible, but if you're 1-11 with 5 games to go and look like ass anyway, yeah, you can mail it in and try to improve/keep your pick. 

Indy did it for Peyton Manning. Ron tried to do it to not go to the playoffs a 2nd time with a losing record. The Jets failed to do it for Trevor Lawrence. It can be done, just not in week 3. 

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