Updated 2025 draft order

[rayzor]

8 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I've already explained this. You put the team in a worse position to win as HC or GM. Whether that's putting players on IR who could still play, calling vanilla game plans, or putting in younger guys for PT. Doing it at week 3 is damn near impossible, but if you're 1-11 with 5 games to go and look like ass anyway, yeah, you can mail it in and try to improve/keep your pick. 

Indy did it for Peyton Manning. Ron tried to do it to not go to the playoffs a 2nd time with a losing record. The Jets failed to do it for Trevor Lawrence. It can be done, just not in week 3. 

So you do this at 1-11, but not at 0-3? That's the threshold?

[kungfoodude]

36 minutes ago, rayzor said:

question i keep asking everyone...do you tell the players to just not try so hard? Do you tell the coaching staff to throw games by calling bad plays or keeping good players off the field? 

how do you accomplish this? 

You are attempting to debate people that think Madden is basically IRL, not people who have any concept of high level sports.

Good luck with that.

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Research on what?

The fact that the Lions have had(and did when they drafted Sewell) and still have one of the better LT's in the NFL.

[SmokinwithWilly]

6 minutes ago, rayzor said:

So you do this at 1-11, but not at 0-3? That's the threshold?

Start 0-3 against KC, Baltimore, and Detroit. All playoff bound teams. Bad start but it can be overcome for a good team. It's still possible to rattle off 10 or 1 1 wins and win the division or wild card. 1-11, even if you finish 5-0, you aren't going anywhere at 6-11. Players know it too and aren't going to put their bodies more at risk like they would if it was playoff contention when it doesn't matter unless it's a contract year. How many times have we said ****** players have quit on <insert> HC? It happens every damn year. 

 

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You are attempting to debate people that think Madden is basically IRL, not people who have any concept of high level sports.

Good luck with that.

It doesn't happen with 10 games left. With 1 or 2, it does happen. It has happened. 

[Tr3ach]

2 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Don't let @tukafan21 see this.

 

I'll speak for me, but Tmac is not just your regular big body WR. He runs routes like a smaller WR. He's a deep threat, medium threat and he a guy you can run screens for and he makes something happen as a ball carrier. He's like Mike Evans and AJ Green combined.

 

It would be hard to pass him up if he's on the board.

I do see some Mike Evans in there, it's just not really the style of receiver I would really want to add with the guys we have now.  All that said if he ends up really good then it doesn't matter.

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, BullCityP said:

2020 draft players who were drafted AFTER we picked..Ceedee Lamb, JORDAN LOVE, Justin Jefferson, Tee Higgins, Jalen Hurts ect

2021 I would take Horn over Sewell all day every day. All Pro corner over a all-pro right tackle. Other players AFTER our pick...Surtain, Devonte Smith, Rashawn Slater.

2022 was not the Young draft that was the draft where we got Ickey

So the end result is it's no reason to tank there will be good players throughout the draft, it's on the team to identify and draft them.

Horn is not an all pro, people in here overrate our players. He’s good to very good when he plays but until he actually gets named an all pro, he isn’t one like Sewell and Chase have been multiple times. We’d have a better team overall with either of these two. Sewell would be a LT for us, he was all through college and switched over for Decker.

Yes, there are always great players all over the draft, it happens. My point was that we could be a vastly more talented team if we just lost one more game in 2019/2020.

I probably should have put 2023 since I was referring to the draft dates in the other two but I was focusing more on the end of the year run than the 2023 draft I couldn’t really peg where we would have ended up. Too many variables.

[BullCityP]

2 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Horn is not an all pro, people in here overrate our players. He’s good to very good when he plays but until he actually gets named an all pro, he isn’t one like Sewell and Chase have been multiple times. We’d have a better team overall with either of these two. Sewell would be a LT for us, he was all through college and switched over for Decker.

Yes, there are always great players all over the draft, it happens. My point was that we could be a vastly more talented team if we just lost one more game in 2019/2020.

I probably should have put 2023 since I was referring to the draft dates in the other two but I was focusing more on the end of the year run than the 2023 draft I couldn’t really peg where we would have ended up. Too many variables.

Like I said in another post Horn may not be an All-pro but Surtain and Parsons are and they BOTH were drafted after Sewell. So again there is no need to tank to draft well. 

[WhoKnows]

50 minutes ago, rayzor said:

question i keep asking everyone...do you tell the players to just not try so hard? Do you tell the coaching staff to throw games by calling bad plays or keeping good players off the field? 

how do you accomplish this? 

No and that’s part of the silliness in these discussions. Tanking has zero to do with coaches/players. Tanking has everything to do with the GM/front office.

Here’s how I would have tanked in 2022:

1. Let Rhule tank the season with his greatness.

2. Trade CMC to SF.

3. Trade Burns to the Rams for that ridiculous haul.

4. Trade Moore to Packers for their 1st.

5. Trade whoever else we could that has value as a good vet and probably isn’t even on the team in 2025+.

I tank by trading away the big time talent and piling up picks and cap space. I do this because I supposedly want to draft a QB high so I want my 2023 pick to be as high as possible.

[rayzor]

3 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

No and that’s part of the silliness in these discussions. Tanking has zero to do with coaches/players. Tanking has everything to do with the GM/front office.

Here’s how I would have tanked in 2022:

1. Let Rhule tank the season with his greatness.

2. Trade CMC to SF.

3. Trade Burns to the Rams for that ridiculous haul.

4. Trade Moore to Packers for their 1st.

5. Trade whoever else we could that has value as a good vet and probably isn’t even on the team in 2025+.

I tank by trading away the big time talent and piling up picks and cap space. I do this because I supposedly want to draft a QB high so I want my 2023 pick to be as high as possible.

i don't like it, but this is better than going to the coaches and players and saying..."hey, for the good of the team, take the foot off the gas."

i want nothing to do with that. i doubt any players or coaches would and for good reason.

[WhoKnows]

7 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Like I said in another post Horn may not be an All-pro but Surtain and Parsons are and they BOTH were drafted after Sewell. So again there is no need to tank to draft well. 

Well, the “best” case scenario IMHO for the 2021 draft is pick 3 and trade it to the 49ers. I would have taken Parsons or Slater with the 2021 first (12). No idea who I would have taken in 2022 (Cole Strange was the pick) and 2023 (maybe Kincaid or Flowers). That would have been a nice haul if we had 1 more loss because the SOS would have moved us from 8 to 3.

[mrcompletely11]

40 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The fact that the Lions have had(and did when they drafted Sewell) and still have one of the better LT's in the NFL.

They drafted BPA because they knew even with a stud already at LT that Sewell was good enough to make the change

[WhoKnows]

16 minutes ago, rayzor said:

i don't like it, but this is better than going to the coaches and players and saying..."hey, for the good of the team, take the foot off the gas."

i want nothing to do with that. i doubt any players or coaches would and for good reason.

That’s not real tanking to ask the team and coaches to lose on purpose. Honestly, I don’t think you really can do that. Remember Doug Pederson getting fired? That was so ridiculously obvious that he put a trash QB in to lose on purpose to improve their draft pick. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it outside of that one game and it got the coach fired and that wasn’t players not trying. That was putting in a QB who had no business ever playing.

You see real tanking in the NBA and MLB every year, although the NFL’s trade deadline is getting more active lately.

[BullCityP]

How many years have teams like Philly, San Fran, KC been drafting BEHIND us yet still out drafting us?? Tanking isn't the answer drafting well is. Until we figure that out I don't care how many top picks we get because it isn't going to matter. 

[Beast_3000]

On 11/11/2024 at 11:34 AM, App Panther said:

I used to be all about tanking to get the #1 pick.

We suck at that. So just start winning again and building this teams confidence. We'll still get an elite player in the Top 10.

Thank you!  Looking at the top 4 quarterbacks in the league and only 1 was picked #1 overall.  It was beyond clear that Burrow was going to be good.  Along with Cam he had the greatest season ever.  Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes were all drafted later in the 1st.

 

These guys coming out aren’t a guarantee. Next year there are some bonafide studs.