Updated 2025 draft order

[Champagnepapi704]

3 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

It is all about who picks the best but that’s a bit obvious.

Also, below are a few examples right out of our own draft picks showing where having a better pick is very meaningful. There are plenty of idiots like Chicago, Cleveland and the Jets, who like us, take a Young over Stroud. That said, having the top pick did mean it was our choice. If we picked Stroud, Houston was screwed for not moving up but we had a guy named Fo

Anyway, here are the very recent Panther examples:

2020 - We had 1 too many wins so we got Derrick Brown 1 pick after Herbert. Brown is a solid player and I’m glad to have him, but let’s be honest that Herbert would have been much, much better and we would have skipped over the travesty of trading away CMC for nothing, giving away DJ Moore and trading the farm for Young. One draft slot away from an entirely different NFL team.

2021 - We had 1 too many wins so we got Horn instead of all pro tackle Sewell, all pro WR Chase or choosing to trade pick 3 (one less win and we got there) to SF for 3 firsts and I think 1 third. Horn is a good CB, but our team would have been much better with Chase, Sewell or all the 1sts.

2022 - Great end of the year run due to an easy schedule and not tanking for a QB by trading Burns to the Rams, Moore to the Packers and others. We all know what happened here and damn would it have been nice to have say Arizona’s pick and watch Houston choose Young!

But those late wins helped the culture

[WhoKnows]

2 hours ago, strato said:

We picked a bad year to have another bad year.

See my post above. We tankers get all the you aren’t a fan of you want to get a higher draft pick but damn we’ve given up generational talent because of some meaningless wins coupled with even worse drafting/trading of picks.

The “real” fans can’t seem to get that we are two wins in 2019/2020 away from having Herbert throwing to Chase every week and still having CMC and Moore along with the picks we wasted on Corral, Darnold and Young. We’d be a solid playoff team even with Rhule and Fitterer.

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, WhoKnows said:

It is all about who picks the best but that’s a bit obvious.

Also, below are a few examples right out of our own draft picks showing where having a better pick is very meaningful. There are plenty of idiots like Chicago, Cleveland and the Jets, who like us, take a Young over Stroud. That said, having the top pick did mean it was our choice. If we picked Stroud, Houston was screwed for not moving up but we had a guy named Fo

Anyway, here are the very recent Panther examples:

2020 - We had 1 too many wins so we got Derrick Brown 1 pick after Herbert. Brown is a solid player and I’m glad to have him, but let’s be honest that Herbert would have been much, much better and we would have skipped over the travesty of trading away CMC for nothing, giving away DJ Moore and trading the farm for Young. One draft slot away from an entirely different NFL team.

2021 - We had 1 too many wins so we got Horn instead of all pro tackle Sewell, all pro WR Chase or choosing to trade pick 3 (one less win and we got there) to SF for 3 firsts and I think 1 third. Horn is a good CB, but our team would have been much better with Chase, Sewell or all the 1sts.

2022 - Great end of the year run due to an easy schedule and not tanking for a QB by trading Burns to the Rams, Moore to the Packers and others. We all know what happened here and damn would it have been nice to have say Arizona’s pick and watch Houston choose Young!

Us picking Herbert is mythology that has continued to grow over the years.  I doubt Rhule picks a qb. But we could have had Lamar Jackson with ease. Or CJ Stroud for that matter.  And if we hadn't chased draft picks, we might have gotten Jayden Daniels.  

 

As far as winning with Herbert/Rhule, I don't think that would happen.  Every Qb that played for Rhule looked better after he left. There is no reason to think Herbert would have significant success with Rhule

Edited 4 hours ago by Davidson Deac II

[BullCityP]

53 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

It is all about who picks the best but that’s a bit obvious.

Also, below are a few examples right out of our own draft picks showing where having a better pick is very meaningful. There are plenty of idiots like Chicago, Cleveland and the Jets, who like us, take a Young over Stroud. That said, having the top pick did mean it was our choice. If we picked Stroud, Houston was screwed for not moving up but we had a guy named Fo

Anyway, here are the very recent Panther examples:

2020 - We had 1 too many wins so we got Derrick Brown 1 pick after Herbert. Brown is a solid player and I’m glad to have him, but let’s be honest that Herbert would have been much, much better and we would have skipped over the travesty of trading away CMC for nothing, giving away DJ Moore and trading the farm for Young. One draft slot away from an entirely different NFL team.

2021 - We had 1 too many wins so we got Horn instead of all pro tackle Sewell, all pro WR Chase or choosing to trade pick 3 (one less win and we got there) to SF for 3 firsts and I think 1 third. Horn is a good CB, but our team would have been much better with Chase, Sewell or all the 1sts.

2022 - Great end of the year run due to an easy schedule and not tanking for a QB by trading Burns to the Rams, Moore to the Packers and others. We all know what happened here and damn would it have been nice to have say Arizona’s pick and watch Houston choose Young!

2020 draft players who were drafted AFTER we picked..Ceedee Lamb, JORDAN LOVE, Justin Jefferson, Tee Higgins, Jalen Hurts ect

2021 I would take Horn over Sewell all day every day. All Pro corner over a all-pro right tackle. Other players AFTER our pick...Surtain, Devonte Smith, Rashawn Slater.

2022 was not the Young draft that was the draft where we got Ickey

So the end result is it's no reason to tank there will be good players throughout the draft, it's on the team to identify and draft them.

[Champagnepapi704]

7 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

2020 draft players who were drafted AFTER we picked..Ceedee Lamb, JORDAN LOVE, Justin Jefferson, Tee Higgins, Jalen Hurts ect

2021 I would take Horn over Sewell all day every day. All Pro corner over a all-pro right tackle. Other players AFTER our pick...Surtain, Devonte Smith, Rashawn Slater.

2022 was not the Young draft that was the draft where we got Ickey

So the end result is it's no reason to tank there will be good players throughout the draft, it's on the team to identify and draft them.

The Jordan love and Jalen hurts? Oh boy.

[Jon Snow]

I'm going to laugh so hard when the Panthers pass on both Sanders and Ward.

[mrcompletely11]

10 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

2020 draft players who were drafted AFTER we picked..Ceedee Lamb, JORDAN LOVE, Justin Jefferson, Tee Higgins, Jalen Hurts ect

2021 I would take Horn over Sewell all day every day. All Pro corner over a all-pro right tackle. Other players AFTER our pick...Surtain, Devonte Smith, Rashawn Slater.

2022 was not the Young draft that was the draft where we got Ickey

So the end result is it's no reason to tank there will be good players throughout the draft, it's on the team to identify and draft them.

A left tackle is infinitely better then a corner.  And when did horn make all pro?

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm going to laugh so hard when the Panthers pass on both Sanders and Ward.

Tears of laughter or manic depression?

[Jon Snow]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Tears of laughter or manic depression?

Genuine laughter. 

[BullCityP]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

A left tackle is infinitely better then a corner.  And when did horn make all pro?

Sewell plays RIGHT tackle. And Horn should make All-Pro this season if not Sutain has and he was picked AFTER we picked and so was Micah Parsons I forgot to name him So again there will be great players there you just have to identify them. 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Sewell plays RIGHT tackle. And Horn should make All-Pro this season if not Sutain has and he was picked AFTER we picked and so was Micah Parsons I forgot to name him So again there will be great players there you just have to identify them. 

His natural position is left tackle and horn has never been all pro even if you predict he will which i seriously doubt

Edited 3 hours ago by mrcompletely11

[Champagnepapi704]

1 minute ago, BullCityP said:

Sewell plays RIGHT tackle. And Horn should make All-Pro this season if not Sutain has and he was picked AFTER we picked and so was Micah Parsons I forgot to name him So again there will be great players there you just have to identify them. 

I think you're missing the point which is it's better to have your pick of the litter rather than sift through the remains

[BullCityP]

Just now, Champagnepapi704 said:

I think you're missing the point which is it's better to have your pick of the litter rather than sift through the remains

No you're missing my point which is you don't have to lose ON PURPOSE to get a good player. Play to win and let the chips fall where they may. No need to get rid of the few good players you already have to tank, just keep building your team by drafting well. 

[BullCityP]

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

His natural position is left tackle and horn has never been all pro even if you predict he will which i seriously doubt

If his natural position is left tackle he must have not been great at it if they moved him to the right lol