Updated 2025 draft order

[rayzor]

1 hour ago, Champagnepapi704 said:

The culture that has lead to all those back to back winning seasons right

The culture that is being built. It's a work in progress.

[Iceup]

1 hour ago, Champagnepapi704 said:

The culture that has lead to all those back to back winning seasons right

No not that culture- A new culture that needs to be built and supported no matter what your draft order is—no excuses— WIN  or make every effort to win now and in the future.

[Shocker]

Everyone loves winning…even if they want to find reasons not too

[tukafan21]

5 hours ago, amcoolio said:

Panthers aren't winning another game this season so I don't know what you are worried about. We'll pick top 4 with a 3-14 record. I do think a team will finish 5-12 and end up picking 10th, because there are that many bad teams

Maybe, but maybe not in the end (in regards to a 5-12 team picking 10th).

I pointed this out in a thread last night, but the bottom 8 teams in the standings right now have A LOT of games against each other, where someone has to win.

Here are the clearly winnable games for those bottom 8 teams, 5 of them play at least 2 of the other 7 from this group still, so just by default, there will be a lot of wins from these teams still to come, as I'm sure there will also be an upset win or two from this group as well in addition to these possible wins.

Jags (2 wins) - Titans x2, Raiders, Jets, Colts

Giants (2 wins) - Cowboys, Saints, Colts

Titans (2 wins) - Jags x2, Colts

Browns (2 wins) - Saints, (Dolphins if they sit Tua as it's 2nd to last game)

Raiders (2 wins) - Jags, Saints

Patriots (3 wins) - Colts, Rams (it's home this week, 1pm game, Rams on short week)

Saints (3 wins) - Browns, Giants, Raiders

Jets (3 wins) - Colts, Jags, (also Dolphins last week if no Tua)

[jfra78]

I feel better about drafting 5-10 than I do 1-5

[Champagnepapi704]

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

The culture that is being built. It's a work in progress.

How's that worked out for you the past 20 years 

[strato]

6 minutes ago, Champagnepapi704 said:

How's that worked out for you the past 20 years 

The first 13 probably not that bad considering. But the last 6 or 7 of them?  The answer you were looking for. 

[Loyalty4Life]

2 hours ago, Champagnepapi704 said:

How's that worked out for you the past 20 years 

If you had stopped at 5-6 years I would be with you but come on, Cam was the culture.

For a few years there it felt like we had the Lebron of the NFL.

[Champagnepapi704]

19 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

If you had stopped at 5-6 years I would be with you but come on, Cam was the culture.

For a few years there it felt like we had the Lebron of the NFL.

Cam is the GOAT dual threat, but we've never been able to have back to back seasons with winning records despite the late season surge winning streaks, my favorite being the year we won the south in the 2nd half of the season. But winning 2 games late in the year against bad teams doesn't establish a "winning culture" 

If they beat the Falcons bucs once, competitive against the chiefs and eagles i will have no problem with wins then because it's against legitimate competition but beating the giants and saints just to feel good, hard pass.

[rayzor]

6 hours ago, Champagnepapi704 said:

Cam is the GOAT dual threat, but we've never been able to have back to back seasons with winning records despite the late season surge winning streaks, my favorite being the year we won the south in the 2nd half of the season. But winning 2 games late in the year against bad teams doesn't establish a "winning culture" 

If they beat the Falcons bucs once, competitive against the chiefs and eagles i will have no problem with wins then because it's against legitimate competition but beating the giants and saints just to feel good, hard pass.

building ≠ built

as in 'work in progress'

this iteration is just getting started.

[hepcat]

As much as I want them to draft a QB in the first round, I don’t see it happening. The team has too many needs and they’re married to Bryce at least one more season unless they trade him. The first round pick should be a defensive player. Hopefully they can get the top LB or DE in the draft because the defense is turds right now. 

I would not mind if they took a chance on a 3rd or 4th round QB with some physical talent. Replacing Dalton as the veteran backup is a priority, getting a younger backup QB who might have some ability to start long term would be a better option. There will be a glut of reclamation QBs to choose from. 

[CamWhoaaCam]

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

As much as I want them to draft a QB in the first round, I don’t see it happening. The team has too many needs and they’re married to Bryce at least one more season unless they trade him. The first round pick should be a defensive player. Hopefully they can get the top LB or DE in the draft because the defense is turds right now. 

I would not mind if they took a chance on a 3rd or 4th round QB with some physical talent. Replacing Dalton as the veteran backup is a priority, getting a younger backup QB who might have some ability to start long term would be a better option. There will be a glut of reclamation QBs to choose from. 

Delaying your QB position is how we continue to suck. We had 2 years of Bryce he's not the answer!

 

My goodness people do you not see other franchises get their QB's and change there franchise overnight. Why can't we do the same?

 

Texans/Commanders/Patriots all got bright futures because they drafted a franchise QB. 

We just wasting years by not addressing the most important position in football. This fanbase is becoming blind. We haven't fixed the QB position since Tepper took over.

 

Enough is Enough! Go get your damn QB!

[CarolinaLivin]

7 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Delaying your QB position is how we continue to suck. We had 2 years of Bryce he's not the answer!

 

My goodness people do you not see other franchises get their QB's and change there franchise overnight. Why can't we do the same?

 

Texans/Commanders/Patriots all got bright futures because they drafted a franchise QB. 

We just wasting years by not addressing the most important position in football. This fanbase is becoming blind. We haven't fixed the QB position since Tepper took over.

 

Enough is Enough! Go get your damn QB!

People aren't saying no to drafting a QB in the first round without reason. Every team you mentioned , Texans/Commanders/Patriots, all got their QB of the future in a "loaded" draft for the QB position. This draft does not have that. I agree that regardless of the thoughts related to how good or great this draft (or any draft is), drafting a player is still a gamble. In a "loaded" draft for the QB position we drafted a dud.

I agree that we have to keep attempting to get the guy. But to say F it and draft one in the first round every year isn't ideal. Because you have to put a team around that rookie. The Bryce trade up not only hurt us by him not being the guy, but we traded a good player and assets that could've been used to help build a roster. So we are back to having to rebuild the roster as well as finding the franchise QB. Tough task. Don't think its cut and dry just draft a QB in first round until you get him. I agree that you do have to find one. I just don't think its easy as find the guy. Cause now not only do you have to find the guy, you have to find the guy that can do it without help. Which is even more of a diamond in the rough. 

[TLGPanthersFan]

If Ward or Sanders is available then I am fine going for a QB in the first. If not, nah. But having Bryce start another year just fills me with dread.