Updated 2025 draft order

[GoingsGoingsGone]

Panthers lose games = "ARGHH FIRE EVERYONE, TEPPER, TEPPER, TEPPER!!11!!!"

Panthers win games = "ARE YOU STUPID? WE NEED A HIGH PICK!!!!!1!"

Sometimes I really do wonder.

[Bear Hands]

FFS

[raleigh-panther]

27 minutes ago, Champagnepapi704 said:

You pulled the 3 luckiest drafts to prove a point.

Lol

Ok

[Shocker]

17 minutes ago, GoingsGoingsGone said:

Panthers lose games = "ARGHH FIRE EVERYONE, TEPPER, TEPPER, TEPPER!!11!!!"

Panthers win games = "ARE YOU STUPID? WE NEED A HIGH PICK!!!!!1!"

Sometimes I really do wonder.

It’s laughable how some people act.  I’ve decided some people just live to complain and will always find the negative in any situation 

[CamWhoaaCam]

20 minutes ago, GoingsGoingsGone said:

Panthers lose games = "ARGHH FIRE EVERYONE, TEPPER, TEPPER, TEPPER!!11!!!"

Panthers win games = "ARE YOU STUPID? WE NEED A HIGH PICK!!!!!1!"

Sometimes I really do wonder.

You don't start winning games when it's too late. You do nothing but hurt your draft position.

 

Wonder how the Texans/Commanders got their franchise QB?

 

They were in position to get one!

 

Show me the franchise QB we getting at #10?

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

You are building a culture one way or the other.

If you keep fighting regardless of anything, you build a tough team that won't quit.

If you start trying to talk, you create a culture that quits

Sorry. Try to defend it all you want, but what you are holding on to is the absolute worst kind of culture for any team.

And the whole concept is just stupid. Sorry. Only the worst of team cultures quit and call it strategy.

JMO but I think the culture was established during FA last year. That culture was to coddle Bryce and not hurt his feelings by bringing in serious competition after one of the worst seasons in NFL history. 

He was also handed the starting job without any real competition and proceeded to poo the bed in such an epic fashion he had to be benched. How can anyone seriously believe the culture is all about winning when the biggest issue in the locker room is never even addressed? Even the players were excited about Dalton because he could actually make throws that Bryce can't and Dalton isn't anything to be excited about. 

You can't be serious about establishing a winning culture when you coddle players and don't actually try to improve at the most important position on the field. 

 

[travisura]

16 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

You don't start winning games when it's too late. You do nothing but hurt your draft position.

 

Wonder how the Texans/Commanders got their franchise QB?

 

They were in position to get one!

 

Show me the franchise QB we getting at #10?

[Stingray3030]

1 hour ago, Champagnepapi704 said:

And a strategy to win against bad teams with no hope of being competitive against legit play off teams is some of the most brain dead logic I've ever seen. It's like a race who can be the best of the bottom 10 teams

This is such a stupid take - why does this even still have a thread?  How are you supposed to get better as a team?  As a franchise?  Deliberately lose games but run the plays in a way so you still look like you COULD have done it at a high level if you wanted to?  THEN when you have 3-4 years worth of 2-win seasons and secretly successful drafts that look like complete failures with guys missing Pro Bowls, bonuses, endorsements - your franchise losing millions of dollars in revenue due to sucking, you suddenly FLIP ON THE WINNING SWITCH and give everyone a James Doakes moment?  

You cannot see progress if you play to fail - period.  You cannot build a culture by losing - period.  You cannot keep your job by losing - period.  You cannot attract talent by losing - period.

Are we done here yet? 

[Paa Langfart]

1 hour ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

Team improves.

Call me crazy but I dont think we have improved.  I think a lot of NFL teams have radically regressed.

[45catfan]

1 hour ago, Swaggasaurus said:

I don’t get this “mediocre” QB class talk. Who is to say 2026 or 27 Draft is any better?  The last good QB class was 2020. The only sure hit since is Daniels. Y’all are some smartest guys in the room projecting will be until it’s that time.

Have you looked at this class?  You have Ward, who is the only one I would trust. Then you have two wildcards in Ewers and Sanders.  Beyond that you have to hope there's an Allen, Mahomes or Jackson  outside of the top 5-10 picks that are diamonds in the rough.  It's not there, it simply isn't.  There's some guys who may develop into a solid backup or possibly decent starter given plenty of time, but a sure fire franchise guy--Ward is the only likely prospect in this draft.  Even then he's not a generational talent and will need a solid support system to be successful. 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Have you looked at this class?  You have Ward, who is the only one I would trust. Then you have two wildcards in Ewers and Sanders.  Beyond that you have to hope there's an Allen, Mahomes or Jackson  outside of the top 5-10 picks that are diamonds in the rough.  It's not there, it simply isn't.  There's some guys who may develop into a solid backup or possibly decent starter given plenty of time, but a sure fire franchise guy--Ward is the only likely prospect in this draft.  Even then he's not a generational talent and will need a solid support system to be successful. 

I know its a stupid mock draft but most of them this morning do not have Ewers going in the first round, which is a bit baffling to me, most have Ward sanders top 5 with Milroe sneaking in here and there, but getting QE in the 2nd would be nothing short of amazing

[CamWhoaaCam]

13 minutes ago, travisura said:

Are you trying to prove a point here?

 

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

15 minutes ago, travisura said:

And he also was drafted into a position he didn't have to start right away and could learn under one of the greatest offensive minds in the game. Situation matters as well as talent. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

1 hour ago, Champagnepapi704 said:

Seriously....against the beat up saints and the giants

Lol, maybe proving worthy of being a 7th round draft pick...

Dude throws for a combined 300 yards and 2 TDs in 2 games and all of a sudden the talking heads think he is proving he is the best player of the 2023 draft... Can't make this crap up