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Updated 2025 draft order

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Dropped to #10 meaningless wins against bottom dwellers with no shot at postseason is the Panther way for ruining draft stock because "winning is all that matters."

What else matters..being able to pick from the top prospects without having to trade up. Spare me with the "no pick is guaranteed" because I rather be able to pick from the top 5 prospects then have to worry if #10 will pan out. If we play the giants and the banged up saints yes we are champion ship contenders but if you evaluate progress against the worst teams then you can't really determine if you're getting better

That Denver game almost half of those yards came on the final drive. Against a healthy top 15 chargers dud..a healthy saints..dud. But beating the giants just to feel good and lose draft position is counterintuitive 

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If your strategy is to lose, no one wants to play for you.

I would always rather have a team that fights than who is told to lay down.

A team that fights is one to still be proud of. A team that chooses to win is a true embarrassment greater than any other.

Fight on.

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Yay, this is what i want...outside of Bryce somehow turning into Aaron Rogers (which he won't).  To win some more games and stay away form this extremely mediocre QB class.  Coincidentally, Bryce playing a little better will likely force the staff to give him one more year to prove himself.  Then we can focus on building the rest of the roster and when Bryce flames out next year, we can turn our focus to the much better QB quality and depth in the 2026 draft.

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7 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Seriously this whole tank strategy is the worst idea that could ever be dreamed of in competitive sports.

It's a strategy for cowards and weak minded individuals.

And a strategy to win against bad teams with no hope of being competitive against legit play off teams is some of the most brain dead logic I've ever seen. It's like a race who can be the best of the bottom 10 teams

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6 minutes ago, Fenrir said:

I'll say it again for those in the back:

TANKING IS NOT A LEGITIMATE WINNING STRATEGY AND DOESN'T GUARANTEE DRAFT SUCCESS. IT ALSO COSTS GMs AND COACHES THEIR JOBS AND THEY LIKE GETTING PAID MILLIONS PER YEAR. 

Did you even read it said you have a better opportunity to pick from the top prospects without trading up versus having to get lucky toward the middle of the draft. 

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Maybe one more win throughout the season based on the schedule, not too worried about our draft position.

If we keep games close moving forward and still lose, I'm cool with it because we look like a more competitive team and still maintain a high draft pick. If we win a few more surprisingly, I'm cool with it, because it means that Canales is coaching well enough to make this sub-par roster competitive, which is good for our future if we bring in more talent.

I am not getting upset about any games the rest of the season one way or the other. It's a house money year for Canales and Morgan, let's see what happens.

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We will still be picking in top 7, lets be real. I can't see us winning more than 2 more games. I'm not going to whine about winning. There will still be probowl caliber talent there when we pick. Lets just nail the pick and not trade up. Lets enjoy the occasional win fellas. Culture matters and players not checking out of the season early matters.

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21 minutes ago, Champagnepapi704 said:

And a strategy to win against bad teams with no hope of being competitive against legit play off teams is some of the most brain dead logic I've ever seen. It's like a race who can be the best of the bottom 10 teams

You are building a culture one way or the other.

If you keep fighting regardless of anything, you build a tough team that won't quit.

If you start trying to talk, you create a culture that quits

Sorry. Try to defend it all you want, but what you are holding on to is the absolute worst kind of culture for any team.

And the whole concept is just stupid. Sorry. Only the worst of team cultures quit and call it strategy.

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      Yeah you're just making your own stuff up i said pick the best player thay you want I said nothing about a QB and yes when you continue to play a qb that is struggling that is equivalent to losing with no intent to win
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