Bryce Young is HIM.

[CamWhoaaCam]

Just now, Aussie Tank said:

I only watched her for 2 reasons 

You and I both.

[Loyalty4Life]

4 hours ago, oceans_1 said:

A handful of forum dorks are convinced that they still know best because they were less dumb than the kid eating glue. There's a reason you football savants are confined to pounding on the keyboard, huffing the aroma wafting from your soiled diapers. Most of the loudest and most insistent voices are far more like the big man, Mr. Impatient, than y'all seem to realize.

 

Can confirm.  I've met a number of them IRL.  Most are exactly as you imagine.  

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Can confirm.  I've met a number of them IRL.  Most are exactly as you imagine.  

glad you have it figured out

[Loyalty4Life]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

glad you have it figured out

I knew you'd be proud.

[frankw]

4 hours ago, oceans_1 said:

A great teammate supporting another great teammate - and the Bryce protesters show up like moths to a flame to picket the absolute nerve of a dysfunctional football team finally being functional. Oh, and to argue the semantics of "improvement".

Bryce will never be worth what we gave up for him. It sucks. Fitterer was a bad man and did bad things. That's in the past. A handful of forum dorks are convinced that they still know best because they were less dumb than the kid eating glue. There's a reason you football savants are confined to pounding on the keyboard, huffing the aroma wafting from your soiled diapers. Most of the loudest and most insistent voices are far more like the big man, Mr. Impatient, than y'all seem to realize.

Bryce has improved from "unplayable" to low end backup-caliber. The good news is he's protecting the football. So we have 2 backups on our roster, and both are limited in their upside. Even if he has the brains (jury is still out), Bryce doesn't have the arm. Andy is old and doesn't get us anywhere. He has been atrocious since the Bengals game. As long as Bryce isn't actively destroying the team, let it ride. Seems like the locker room is behind him now that Diontae isn't poisoning the well and that's numero uno. This is a learning year for everyone. If Andy is throwing for 250 yards but chucking picks in the red zone, do the stats really matter? Win the fugging games. Build the culture. Build the team. Let Bryce bridge the gap until we acquire more talent, and find your QB like the good organizations do. Don't rush, don't force it. That's why we're here to begin with. To all the chicken littles, I guarantee Canales, Morgan, and Tepper are all aware that Bryce is "for now" at best, not forever, barring some kind of Green Goblin or Captain America situation.

[WhoKnows]

On 11/11/2024 at 4:03 PM, OldhamA said:

So what's the plan - once you get a lead you shut it down?

Seems counterintuitive. You'd think you'd want to extend that lead...

Well you can always rely on multiple red zone interceptions every week.

Young has been better the past two weeks but the best record of our opponents in our three wins is 3-7. Those were the games we circled in preseason as our best chances to win a game. We’ll see what happens on Sunday.

[Loyalty4Life]

Before the season I thought we would win 5-7 games.  

Tracking.

 

[PghPanther]

Just Great...................we finish with maybe 4 or 5 wins and get out of the cellar in the NFL and then hang on to this kid and as a result never get a winning season..........let alone a playoff berth or good draft pick for a QB. 

 

 

[strato]

4 hours ago, PghPanther said:

Just Great...................we finish with maybe 4 or 5 wins and get out of the cellar in the NFL and then hang on to this kid and as a result never get a winning season..........let alone a playoff berth or good draft pick for a QB. 

 

 

That was always going to be the scenario. They were not bringing in any competition, it was only help for him. All about him. That is where they put things. 

He had such a low bar to surpass to be able to claim improvement, so after this it will be how low is the new bar? I fear it is low.

 

[ImfromClayton]

On 11/12/2024 at 11:49 AM, kungfoodude said:

If college football is so bad, why were Stroud and Daniels so good? 

Or is it that select players just aren't developed or good enough?

I think you are at a major advantage if you have the ability to run the football as a quarterback. It can mask a lot of issues. Much like RG3, or Anthony Richardson, immediate impact is a lot easier with a running QB. Anthony Richardson already appears to be a bust, despite him turning some heads early last year. Vince Young was a ROY. I do think Jayden is a lot better than a lot of those guys, but I think he's got a fair amount of development to do as well. 

Stroud looks a lot better than Bryce, I won't dispute that, but he's taken a very big step back this year off of last year. Houston has a myriad of issues on the offensive side of the ball. 

This is just a trend we seem to be seeing everywhere. Very few QB's are pro ready anymore, and just when we are ready to give up on a guy, he does the thing where he becomes competent, (not necessarily good). Sam Bradford, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Geno Smith, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, and so on and so forth. The list of evidence is enormous.

But to your point, the highest miss rate of any position in football is quarterback. The vast majority of them do not pan out. More than likely, that is the case here.  

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, ImfromClayton said:

I think you are at a major advantage if you have the ability to run the football as a quarterback. It can mask a lot of issues. Much like RG3, or Anthony Richardson, immediate impact is a lot easier with a running QB. Anthony Richardson already appears to be a bust, despite him turning some heads early last year. Vince Young was a ROY. I do think Jayden is a lot better than a lot of those guys, but I think he's got a fair amount of development to do as well. 

Stroud looks a lot better than Bryce, I won't dispute that, but he's taken a very big step back this year off of last year. Houston has a myriad of issues on the offensive side of the ball. 

This is just a trend we seem to be seeing everywhere. Very few QB's are pro ready anymore, and just when we are ready to give up on a guy, he does the thing where he becomes competent, (not necessarily good). Sam Bradford, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Geno Smith, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, and so on and so forth. The list of evidence is enormous.

But to your point, the highest miss rate of any position in football is quarterback. The vast majority of them do not pan out. More than likely, that is the case here.  

I would argue this has literally always been the case for almost the entire existence of the NFL. There are substantially more busts than hits, across all rounds.

I would say also that there doesn't appear to be much evidence for college quarterbacks being less prepared than before. Certainly in some cases they are vastly underprepared but that has always been the case. 

I would definitely make the argument that in every single major sport that athletes are VASTLY more experienced than 20, 30 and more years ago. A lot of that is due to earlier specialization in sport(versus just playing all the sports from K-12), DRAMATICALLY more reps and practice(travel ball, summer leagues, etc) and far greater access to specialized training(most high end players/prospects have specific trainers even before college).

All of these things were not readily available decades ago. So the theoretical "10,000 reps" are being hit far, far sooner for most younger athletes.

As for the argument for "gimmick offenses" being a problem. I mean....think about how prevalent things like the triple option were in the 70's, 80's and even 90's. Or just offenses in general that were absolutely extinct at the NFL level. 

I think there are some general issues with certain positions and the development cycles in college but overall, the development in college has actually improved tremendously. The thing is, it's never going to improve enough to where you are just getting insanely high hit rates on prospects or large percentages of draft picks immediately playing like 8 year veterans. It will never really work like that.

[LinvilleGorge]

On 11/12/2024 at 12:37 PM, oceans_1 said:

A great teammate supporting another great teammate - and the Bryce protesters show up like moths to a flame to picket the absolute nerve of a dysfunctional football team finally being functional. Oh, and to argue the semantics of "improvement".

Bryce will never be worth what we gave up for him. It sucks. Fitterer was a bad man and did bad things. That's in the past. A handful of forum dorks are convinced that they still know best because they were less dumb than the kid eating glue. There's a reason you football savants are confined to pounding on the keyboard, huffing the aroma wafting from your soiled diapers. Most of the loudest and most insistent voices are far more like the big man, Mr. Impatient, than y'all seem to realize.

Bryce has improved from "unplayable" to low end backup-caliber. The good news is he's protecting the football. So we have 2 backups on our roster, and both are limited in their upside. Even if he has the brains (jury is still out), Bryce doesn't have the arm. Andy is old and doesn't get us anywhere. He has been atrocious since the Bengals game. As long as Bryce isn't actively destroying the team, let it ride. Seems like the locker room is behind him now that Diontae isn't poisoning the well and that's numero uno. This is a learning year for everyone. If Andy is throwing for 250 yards but chucking picks in the red zone, do the stats really matter? Win the fugging games. Build the culture. Build the team. Let Bryce bridge the gap until we acquire more talent, and find your QB like the good organizations do. Don't rush, don't force it. That's why we're here to begin with. To all the chicken littles, I guarantee Canales, Morgan, and Tepper are all aware that Bryce is "for now" at best, not forever, barring some kind of Green Goblin or Captain America situation.

Imagine posting on a forum to mock people for posting on a forum. Whether you realize it or not you just played yourself. LOL 

Guess what? We've heard people like you lecture people with opinions about how *insert former Panthers front office or coach moron* knows best and we're all just idiots. This forum exists to discuss Panthers football and that includes *GASP* sharing opinions that may be contrary to what the Panthers end up doing. 

If you just want a circle jerk of an echo chamber reassuring you that everything the Panthers do is brilliant despite the abysmal record on the field, I think they made a Discord group for that.

[MHS831]

On 11/10/2024 at 10:46 PM, Ornias said:

126 yards passing against one of the worst defenses in the league in a close game. He ain't it. 

OK--and I agree with your "He ain't it" comment, but let's be factual.  The Giants D lead the league in sacks (the last I heard) and they are ranked 17th overall--that is average--not one of the worst.  They rank 6th vs the pass, 29th vs the run.  

https://www.foxsports.com/articles/nfl/2024-nfl-defense-rankings-team-pass-and-rush-stats

 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I would argue this has literally always been the case for almost the entire existence of the NFL. There are substantially more busts than hits, across all rounds.

I would say also that there doesn't appear to be much evidence for college quarterbacks being less prepared than before. Certainly in some cases they are vastly underprepared but that has always been the case. 

I would definitely make the argument that in every single major sport that athletes are VASTLY more experienced than 20, 30 and more years ago. A lot of that is due to earlier specialization in sport(versus just playing all the sports from K-12), DRAMATICALLY more reps and practice(travel ball, summer leagues, etc) and far greater access to specialized training(most high end players/prospects have specific trainers even before college).

All of these things were not readily available decades ago. So the theoretical "10,000 reps" are being hit far, far sooner for most younger athletes.

As for the argument for "gimmick offenses" being a problem. I mean....think about how prevalent things like the triple option were in the 70's, 80's and even 90's. Or just offenses in general that were absolutely extinct at the NFL level. 

I think there are some general issues with certain positions and the development cycles in college but overall, the development in college has actually improved tremendously. The thing is, it's never going to improve enough to where you are just getting insanely high hit rates on prospects or large percentages of draft picks immediately playing like 8 year veterans. It will never really work like that.

Projecting talent to the next level is always dicey, even more so at QB. And now with the rookie wage scale we're seeing more highly drafted QBs because the downside is so much lower. You're no longer having to pay top picks like future HOFs so go ahead and swing big. The risk/reward structure favors the bold move. Just don't trade a poo ton of draft capital to draft a guy with none of the physical traits.