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[KSpan]

4 minutes ago, MGH1989 said:

There is a segment of this fanbase that would rather lose with a QB that is 6-4 with a cannon than win with a QB like Bryce.

If said 6-4 cannon-armed QB is at a similar career stage as Bryce yeah, absolutely. Upside is there and games can be won multiple ways. Guys like Bryce don't win championships except off of flukes because they aren't dynamic enough.

Also, you make it sound like Bryce isn't 4-17 as a starter. Because that's the team's record when he starts, and it's been ugly QB play way more than not.

[Cam's New Arm]

6 minutes ago, KSpan said:

If said 6-4 cannon-armed QB is at a similar career stage as Bryce yeah, absolutely. Upside is there and games can be won multiple ways. Guys like Bryce don't win championships except off of flukes because they aren't dynamic enough.

Also, you make it sound like Bryce isn't 4-17 as a starter. Because that's the team's record when he starts, and it's been ugly QB play way more than not.

If Bryce can play in and out of the pocket the way he did on Sunday, while cleaning up just a few more of his passes, he could be a mid-teir starter.

[pantherclaw]

20 hours ago, electro's horse said:

the rookie receivers are literally one of the best parts of the offense right now. 

the best obviously is Chuba/offensive line. 

bryce does not deserve a shred of credit for anything

He made some sharp passes and ran for a first down on a scoring drive.  

Seems the facts aren't important to your perspective. 

Edited November 11 by pantherclaw

[Shotgun]

1 hour ago, Cam's New Arm said:

If Bryce can play in and out of the pocket the way he did on Sunday, while cleaning up just a few more of his passes, he could be a mid-teir starter.

Not being able to throw the  deep ball will always keep him at the low tier starter level. Probably more likely a low tier backup though.

[trucpfan]

This performance will have backing up Quinn Ewers next season give us that Joe Brady effect playing with done of his former playmakers get him a speedster and we have a dynamic offense immediately. Canales likes deep passes chunk plays and Bryce doesn’t offer the arm strength to execute that aspect of his offense consistently.

[electro's horse]

16 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

He made some sharp passes and ran for a first down on a scoring drive. 

oh im sorry excuse me i forgot he got a first down

[strato]

11 hours ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I've said that over and over.  Bryce may very well be exactly what we are seeing.

I've also repeatedly said that my argument isn't really about BW.  Pick any widget.  Pick any player. I would not bet my job on any evaluation based on last year.  I think that our coaching staff, players (especially oline) and scheme (Frank's was beyond awful) are better than last years.  Then we trot Bryce out in the first two games and he played HORRIBLE.  BAD.  YUCK. 

Based on those first two games he regressed greatly from his rookie year.  So, Canales benches him to see if he can fix him and begin to put him on a path toward improvement.  Canales was hired in part because of his work with similar QB's who struggled.  Canales saw he was horrible.  Benched him.  Realized he had some things from his rookie year he needed to undo.  He developed a plan and path that is in progress now to see if he could turn into something.  All I keep saying is let's find out.  Beats riding out the year with Dalton or some random UDFA and man what if Canales does do what he did with Geno or Baker? 

Geno was so bad he was a back up for 7 years.  We got Baker because no one else, except Matt Rhule, wanted him and even when we did get him the Browns paid most of his contract.

Well here it is, his story written by me. I didn’t watch this last game closely to really see his mechanics. They were changed/corrected by Canales in the offseason.  He abandoned the corrections right around the end of quarter one game one.  
If he reverts to his own mechanics he cannot get anything on the ball at all.  With the mechanics he is still too small and short and weak armed to be a very successful passer in the NFL but he might be able to stay employed.  Without them it is game over, cut him please.  
I noticed some stuff that had me thinking the plays that are getting called are plays where he doesn’t use those old mechanics like the throwing on the run things.  And plays where he can do the one two three plant throw.  
Some of what Canales means when he says plays that there is  confidence in is referring to that sort of thing as much as it is the actual throws.  
I just think that his best is not good enough to excel in the NFL and will be happy when we can have a QB where the challenge part is football not arm strength, height, poor mechanics, that isn’t a three to four year project to just get up to league average.  At best. 

[electro's horse]

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

I don't get where these people are coming from. Bryce was basically typical Bryce minus the turnover worthy balls. If he was out third stringer we'd be happy with that performance. He basically did what you'd hope your third stringer could do - just go out there and not do anything to lose the game.

Chuba ran for more yards than he threw for and averaged more YPC than Bryce averaged YPA. LOL 

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

lol

 

and mac and bone are fuging insufferable this morning, couldnt take their "Bryce has turned the corner" bullshit any more

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't get where these people are coming from. Bryce was basically typical Bryce minus the turnover worthy balls. If he was out third stringer we'd be happy with that performance. He basically did what you'd hope your third stringer could do - just go out there and not do anything to lose the game.

Chuba ran for more yards than he threw for and averaged more YPC than Bryce averaged YPA. LOL 

did you hear the talking heads babbling about him? talking about his smile, how good his cadence is, how more confident he sounds...all subjective things that aren't born out by the stats at all.

[Panthera onca]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't get where these people are coming from. Bryce was basically typical Bryce minus the turnover worthy balls. If he was out third stringer we'd be happy with that performance. He basically did what you'd hope your third stringer could do - just go out there and not do anything to lose the game.

Chuba ran for more yards than he threw for and averaged more YPC than Bryce averaged YPA. LOL 

The Bryce stans will ignore these facts.

[pantherclaw]

Played with a lead rhe entire game except at the very end.  

The giants could stop our run game either. 

The stats reflect that. 

These facts are pretty simple to follow even for the most mentally challenged folks. 

 

[electro's horse]

46 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Played with a lead rhe entire game except at the very end.  

The giants could stop our run game either. 

The stats reflect that. 

These facts are pretty simple to follow even for the most mentally challenged folks. 

 

Did the stats reflect these games too?