15/25, 126

[SmokinwithWilly]

55 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

A new coach coming in after what I think was one of the biggest clusters of a team last year and giving your first overall QB a chance isn't to crazy.  You really don't know until you get on the field and Canales saw what we all saw.  Bryce Young was not good enough to start. 

But Canales, the staff and numerous other coaches who called about trading for BY thought he might be salvageable.  

I agree with you that I don't think it smart or probable that BW would put up 300 yards and 3td.  That is why Canales isn't asking or expecting him to do that.  Yet.

And even that "Yet" is just a possibility but it's too freaking hard to find a QB in the NFL and there were to many other factors last year to say BW is a total bust and move on.  Especially when moving on right now means a big trade, some QB off a practice squad or running with some UDFA.

The worst thing would be stuck in 6-8 wins a season but that would be a hell of a lot better than the last few year but I get and agree with your point.  My point is simply that the possibility that BW turns it around and becomes a good QB is much more likely than Dalton or any other QB we could get giving us a better chance to win games and improve long term.

The only thing I've continued to preach is he's the best option currently and going forward but that doesn't mean we don't bring in other players to improve and get better.  History has shown that this place is ready to cut bait way to early on players with little regard to the alternative, or other factors that play a role in a players success.

I'd love to enjoy a win without being told repeatedly over and over by the same people why we are still a failure.  The whole yeah we won but...

I'm not arguing and I don't think anyone else actually thinks that your QB throwing for 126 yards is a recipe for winning but I think most people would like to feel good about a win instead of focusing on the host of things we need to continue to improve upon to be a yearly contender.  Trust me, no one is going to forget we still have a long way to go.

If you want to celebrate a win, feel free. I'm bigger picture at this point.  I've seen this team screw itself over and over again with wins that don't really matter and everyone has forgotten by the first snap of camp. And Ive seen enough mediocrity to last a lifetime, and calling the last 6 years mediocrity would be generous. 

Dalton's career is all but over. But we should never stop looking for our next QB. Even with the GOAT, Billy B still drafted and looked for his next QB just in case. I'm ready for bigger picture football. Once we actually do that, then I'll start celebrating wins against really bad teams. It's just where I'm at as a fan. 

[electro's horse]

1 hour ago, Loyalty4Life said:

  History has shown that this place is ready to cut bait way to early on players with little regard to the alternative, or other factors that play a role in a players success.

 

what the fug are you talking about

you're just making ludicrous, broad generalizations.

like you could provide a single example of anything

[Loyalty4Life]

4 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Oh he’s making it about me. Who’s rereg are you?

Go make a thread about how great Bryce did today. No one is stopping you. 

I didn't make it about you.  You did. 

You made a thread with a headline and first post comment that's a passive aggressive insult that is a continuation of your BW hate fest.  If you don't want any comments, don't make a new thread from the peanut gallery.

I don't think BW had a "great" game today.  I think he had a game that showed improvement and did a number things that helped us win and in our present circumstance of being one of the worst teams in the league. I'd like to enjoy a win.

There is plenty to actually hold Bryce to task for, discuss, and critique.  I've never even argued he's great.  Only that he still has potential after a bad 1st year that had extenuating circumstances.  I 100% agree with Canales benching him.  He was awful.  

Since he's come back he's been our best option and has shown some improvement.  Doesn't mean we won't draft another QB next year or trade him in the off season or keep him and bring in other QB's to compete with.  I love that Canales won't name him the starter each week but keeps making him earn just enough to start the next week.   

Picking your ass and throwing poo nuggets every week at Bryce or any hope fans might have that he could improve is exhausting.  You're just being a troll and an asshole.

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I didn't make it about you.

...

Picking your ass and throwing poo nuggets every week at Bryce or any hope fans might have that he could improve is exhausting.  You're just being a troll and an asshole.

alright buddy have a good one.

also is your W next to your Y key or something

[frankw]

Hey @Loyalty4Life go compare undrafted Kyle Allen's numbers in 13 games with the Panthers to Bryce Young's numbers in 23 games and come back here and tell us again how this place is ready to cut bait way too early.

Either you work for the team or you're related to Bryce somehow.

[Loyalty4Life]

14 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

what the fug are you talking about

you're just making ludicrous, broad generalizations.

like you could provide a single example of anything

I've given examples.

I've seen Chubba Hubbard, Derrick Brown and numerous other Panther players before they broke out get railed on this board and calls for their head.

Before XL started to show some promise I saw lots of takes about how he was a waste of a pick.  We're seeing the trash talk against Brooks who has not even played a down yet and if he struggles at all this season you'll see dozens talking about what a waste of pick he was.

 

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I've given examples.

I've seen Chubba Hubbard, Derrick Brown and numerous other Panther players before they broke out get railed on this board and calls for their head.

Before XL started to show some promise I saw lots of takes about how he was a waste of a pick.  We're seeing the trash talk against Brooks who has not even played a down yet and if he struggles at all this season you'll see dozens talking about what a waste of pick he was.

 

Do think Bryce can get us to a playoff game and win multiple times?   

[Basbear]

Fitz, you made some of the old heads seeth.

Now for the others- how many of them have savior BY as their fantasy football QB?? 

Where are all the bets for him to cover 175 passing yards among other easy QB bets, why are they not supporting their hero?!?!

[electro's horse]

7 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I've given examples.

I've seen Chubba Hubbard, Derrick Brown and numerous other Panther players before they broke out get railed on this board and calls for their head.

Before XL started to show some promise I saw lots of takes about how he was a waste of a pick.  We're seeing the trash talk against Brooks who has not even played a down yet and if he struggles at all this season you'll see dozens talking about what a waste of pick he was.

 

brown was not great his rookie year and deserved the criticism. Chuba was a fourth round pick; no one as was railing him. neither had legions of internet weirdos white knighting them at every opportunity.

Coincidentally since you keep attacking me personally, I was higher on both of those players than the rest of the board and was proven right. Maybe not the best examples to use here.

post people saying XL was a wasted pick. It's not hard. There's a search function. There have been ten weeks of games. was it in the first two weeks when Bryce could barely even get the snap? Did I miss a ton of people upset about him after the game in Las Vegas? Is there another forum where people spent the first 2 weeks of the season dogging him?

 

 

[Loyalty4Life]

9 minutes ago, frankw said:

Hey @Loyalty4Life go compare undrafted Kyle Allen's numbers in 13 games with the Panthers to Bryce Young's numbers in 23 games and come back here and tell us again how this place is ready to cut bait way too early.

Either you work for the team or you're related to Bryce somehow.

Were there circumstances last year that made it more difficult to judge BW?

Was it possible we didn't put him the best situation to improve and grow?

Was it worth not cutting him last year to see how he played under better circumstances?

I have never one said BW's play was excellent or that we should put all our eggs in the BW will be the franchise savior.  If this was his 2nd year with the same staff and in the same system I'd been much less argumentative. 

It's also not just about cutting bait.  It's the BW option right now vs Dalton or an UDFA or anything else we could come up with. 

No one is calling to trade for Kyle Allen.  People don't see the possibility of him improving beyond his current abilities.  Myself, Canales, and at least 4 other teams do see potential and that is all I'm arguing for.

He is currently our best chance for a starting level QB in the future.  It's just a chance.  I'm playing the probabilities with no expectations.  As long as he is improving and we don't have better options why not do everything you can for that player to succeed?

[electro's horse]

3 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Where are all the bets for him to cover 175 passing yards among other easy QB bets, why are they not supporting their hero?!?!

loyalty4life is posting up a storm over at the ceasars sports book forums, furious that prop bets have bryce only getting 145 yards.

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, Loyalty4Life said:

It's also not just about cutting bait.  It's the BW option right now vs Dalton or an UDFA or anything else we could come up with. 

Myself, Canales, and at least 4 other teams do see potential and that is all I'm arguing for.

Dalton is definitely a better option. Palmer can stretch the field vertically.

which 4 teams?

[Basbear]

1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

loyalty4life is posting up a storm over at the ceasars sports book forums, furious that prop bets have bryce only getting 145 yards.

[PantherChris]

Now that's using your head