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1 minute ago, Chad_Cota said:

I disagree, he needs consistency with personnel and coaching. I think he can be a starter. We should all hope that’s what he becomes. Unless you want that bum Beck from GA. Because we are not getting the no 1 overall pick. 

Sure, he can be a starter. If you don't want to post a winning record.

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1 minute ago, Seltzer said:

This is why so many oldtimers don't engage as much...

We get it... Bryce has been a disappointment so far being a number 1 pick.

But seriously, it's embarrassing for us that have actually watched the NFL for 30+ years to see some of these takes...

He's playing with all rookies and looking competent... given the circumstances, Bryce has played really well

I think the difference is that Bryce expected this vets to bail him out and make a play, now hes throwing to rookies and its on him to make a play.  hes the vet.

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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think he has a little more ceiling than this. Likely tops out at average level NFL starter, however.

I don't think it matters too much. If he is around averagish or a little worse, we can still build a team through the draft and FA. I just don't want to see us invest in a second Bryce contract in that scenario.

That's the problem. Average starter get PAID and then that cap noose dooms your team. Look at our opponent for a great example.

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