Bryce Young Work Ethic

[Davidson Deac II]

50 minutes ago, BrisbanePanther said:

I think that's only a piece of the quote--IIRC he said he did that for a week and then got back to work.

I got no problem with him taking a week. If his ability is made or broken by 1 week, then there's a bigger problem. 

Luke Kuechly had a great work ethic, but he still would take some time to decompress after the season, go hunting, fishing, hanging out with family.  THEY ALL DO IT.  People are making to big a deal out of the netflix thing.  Its silly to think the season ends and he should be back in the film room the next day.

 

 

[mav1234]

16 hours ago, frankw said:

Did you watch the first two games?

As of right now statistically across the entire league only Aidan O'Connell and Jameis Winston have less passing yards per game than Bryce Young. Only Deshaun Watson and Jacoby Brissett have less yards per pass attempt. Only Anthony Richardson has a worse passer rating.

So. Are you suggesting that is the result of Bryce Young working his ass off?

Yes, yes I am. Have you seen the dude physically?  I mean he's just lacking in every physical aspect of the game. The one area he has any success is throws with crazy anticipation. Because that's the only way he can compete passes much past the LoS. 

[frankw]

40 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Yes, yes I am. Have you seen the dude physically?  I mean he's just lacking in every physical aspect of the game. The one area he has any success is throws with crazy anticipation. Because that's the only way he can compete passes much past the LoS. 

Right. Aside from that the other key issue is he is not in any way shape or form the football IQ savant that people sold him to be. The "field general" like Peyton Manning. He's missing things all over the field. Some of it you can chalk up to being beaten up behind the OL last year but even before that took it's toll he was not reading the field well and throwing very ill advised picks.

Unfortunately this pick has been a perfect storm of bad circumstances that will get you a bust every time.

Edited November 8 by frankw

[mav1234]

14 minutes ago, frankw said:

Right. Aside from that the other key issue is he is not in any way shape or form the football IQ savant that people sold him to be. The "field general" like Peyton Manning. He's missing things all over the field. Some of it you can chalk up to being beaten up behind the OL last year but even before that took it's toll he was not reading the field well and throwing very ill advised picks.

Unfortunately this pick has been a perfect storm of bad circumstances that will get you a bust every time.

For sure - he was not (is not?) ready or capable to adjust to NFL defenses and speed, and our offense last year didn't help him (nor did he help them!). We'll see how that changes the rest of the season but my biggest fear is he delivers a few more back-up worthy performances, and we somehow think he's our long term solution.

But I don't think his failures are work ethic related... Maybe I'm wrong. I suspect we'll know more when he's gone some day.

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

His work ethic may be a question mark, but I question his ethics in general. The way that he weighed in at the combine and the left immediately while everyone else was throwing. He knew he was conning someone 

[JawnyBlaze]

5 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Most here think his problem is size and arm strength.  You disagree with that assessment?  

Yes. Arm strength is a problem too, but his biggest problems are decision making and accuracy. 

[PadresPanthersFan]

18 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

His work ethic may be a question mark, but I question his ethics in general. The way that he weighed in at the combine and the left immediately while everyone else was throwing. He knew he was conning someone 

So he fudged his resume. Thats not on him for doing it( lots do in every sport) it's on the panthers for not recognizing it

[frankw]

13 minutes ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

So he fudged his resume. Thats not on him for doing it( lots do in every sport) it's on the panthers for not recognizing it

Of course it's ultimately on the Panthers. At the same time him engaging in that deception should null and void any claims of having anything be unfair at this level. He willingly played the system to get picked #1. He got what he wanted.

[SmokinwithWilly]

25 minutes ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

So he fudged his resume. Thats not on him for doing it( lots do in every sport) it's on the panthers for not recognizing it

It absolutely is on him for doing it and I'd wager he used a good bit of that psychology major to help him through interviews because he could read people better than most. The Panthers should have recognized it for what it was, hell, we all did, but you can't absolve him just because everyone else does it. 

 

17 minutes ago, frankw said:

Of course it's ultimately on the Panthers. At the same time him engaging in that deception should null and void any claims of having anything be unfair at this level. He willingly played the system to get picked #1. He got what he wanted.

38 Million guaranteed. 

[Gapanthersfan]

18 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

This is my main issue with Bryce. He doesn’t have any control of the crappy situation he’s been put in but he has total control of going to the gym and adding some much needed muscle and it doesn’t look like he’s spent a single day in the gym since we drafted him

Take advantage of the things you have control over.

This. 

Honest introspection on his behalf would have seen that size and strength were his biggest weaknesses. He looks no different.

With the programs in the NFL, he could have come back to camp 10 lbs of muscle heavier. Easily. If had done so, it would have been reported on. It would have been the hottest story…. But we never saw anything of the sort, so it probably never happened. 

He showed improvement this last game, likely from Andy’s tutelage. He has to show something VERY special to close the season out to change my thinking on him… like 4 game winning streak with a clutch 4th quarter comeback. Then maybe. 

[PadresPanthersFan]

12 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

It absolutely is on him for doing it and I'd wager he used a good bit of that psychology major to help him through interviews because he could read people better than most. The Panthers should have recognized it for what it was, hell, we all did, but you can't absolve him just because everyone else does it. 

 

38 Million guaranteed. 

And every nfl player wannabe tries to up their draft position through things like the combine and theyre all basically lying though those drills theyve practiced hundreds of times that have little bearing on if theyre a good football player. The pro days are even worse. All you have to do is dupe 1 team. Is it right? No. But until teams put more emphasis on college tape vs. What they did in shorts with no defense it'll happen every year. I doubt there is a single player that wouldn't try anything to up their draft prospects. 

Young had years of tape and that shouldve been what the decision was based on. Not a scale and throwing in shorts. 

( btw I think the combine and pro days are 90% a waste of time)

Young has it financially made already. It's up to him if he wants to be a good football player too. I think the benching was the best thing that could've happened to him. It remains to be seen if it was enough

[strato]

14 minutes ago, Gapanthersfan said:

 

He showed improvement this last game, likely from Andy’s tutelage. He has to show something VERY special to close the season out to change my thinking on him… like 4 game winning streak with a clutch 4th quarter comeback. Then maybe. 

Okay, that day in Vegas had to embarrass him completely. Andy showed him how to do the job. 

What I think when I go there, why did it take Andy? He has had game after game of watching actual NFL QBs work and that didn't do it? 

Anyhow Andy did not mess around, he stood in there and did his job and got rid of the ball ahead of the pressure. Down the field. With the same players Bryce had. Night and day. 

If that didn't wake him up nothing ever would. But I don't think he has any sort of top NFL QB in him, he just lacks the full tool kit. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

7 minutes ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

And every nfl player wannabe tries to up their draft position through things like the combine and theyre all basically lying though those drills theyve practiced hundreds of times that have little bearing on if theyre a good football player. The pro days are even worse. All you have to do is dupe 1 team. Is it right? No. But until teams put more emphasis on college tape vs. What they did in shorts with no defense it'll happen every year. I doubt there is a single player that wouldn't try anything to up their draft prospects. 

Young had years of tape and that shouldve been what the decision was based on. Not a scale and throwing in shorts. 

( btw I think the combine and pro days are 90% a waste of time)

Young has it financially made already. It's up to him if he wants to be a good football player too. I think the benching was the best thing that could've happened to him. It remains to be seen if it was enough

If there's another QB that came to the combine after packing on 15 lbs of water weight to hide his playing weight, I don't remember it. 

I understand it's all part of the pre-draft game, and he participated. The FO was stupid and ignored huge red flags. 

On a side note though, I was at the airport a few weeks ago and saw a basketball team going through and decided to try and look through them. I'm 6'2 and these guys were 6'6 and up. I was amazed by how much I couldn't see around them. And these guys weren't 300 plus in pads. I still think he's having a hell of a time seeing the field at the NFL speed. 

[NAS]

3 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Luke Kuechly had a great work ethic, but he still would take some time to decompress after the season, go hunting, fishing, hanging out with family.  THEY ALL DO IT.  People are making to big a deal out of the netflix thing.  Its silly to think the season ends and he should be back in the film room the next day.

 

 

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