BREAKING:Panthers re-sign Chuba Hubbard

[ChibCU]

Our salary cap issues will improve if we can get on track with consecutive draft classes that are actually NFL players. Scott Fitterer was a menace.

[mav1234]

5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Happy for Chuba and he earned the money for sure. 

Not pumped about going from big RB contract to big RB contract and absolutely FLABBERGASTED that we spent a 2nd round pick on Brooks now. That was utterly moronic.

If you want a capable 2nd string RB, get them in the 3rd-5th round. You know.....like Chuba.

I get that concern - but I think that concern about a 2nd on Brooks is the same if we pay Chuba this or not. I think Brooks is a long term future investment. Chuba is for now and the next few years. Ideally Brooks is worked back slowly and by having both you limit wear and tear. It's also a matter of value - if Brooks was far and away their highest rated player on their board, it makes sense to take him.

The way we use RBs I'm very excited to see Brooks in the offense at full speed, but if he's what a lot of us hope, we'll want to make sure we don't run him into the ground in the longer term, too.

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I get that concern - but I think that concern about a 2nd on Brooks is the same if we pay Chuba this or not. I think Brooks is a long term future investment. Chuba is for now and the next few years. Ideally Brooks is worked back slowly and by having both you limit wear and tear. It's also a matter of value - if Brooks was far and away their highest rated player on their board, it makes sense to take him.

The way we use RBs I'm very excited to see Brooks in the offense at full speed, but if he's what a lot of us hope, we'll want to make sure we don't run him into the ground in the longer term, too.

I want Brooks to make me excited.

[ImfromClayton]

15 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Or taking a RB in the 2nd round if you're going to pay your incumbent RB.

Did you feel good about Chuba coming into this season? Because I didn't.  Major JAG vibes.

[Martin]

This was a breakout season for Chuba, you never know what will happen with a new coaching staff. They didn’t know at the time of the draft, so they drafted another RB high. But that shouldn’t prevent them from adapting and feeling like Chuba is worth investing in now that they’ve seen what he can do. It gives us a potentially very strong 1-2 punch. Letting old decisions dictate what you do moving forward is not a successful way to manage a team, or manage anything for that matter. The argument that “now that we know we shouldn’t have drafted Brooks” is pretty ridiculous as we didn’t know at the time

[CarolinaLivin]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I want Brooks to make me excited.

I think his dm’s are open

[frankw]

1 hour ago, Martin said:

This was a breakout season for Chuba, you never know what will happen with a new coaching staff. They didn’t know at the time of the draft, so they drafted another RB high. But that shouldn’t prevent them from adapting and feeling like Chuba is worth investing in now that they’ve seen what he can do. It gives us a potentially very strong 1-2 punch. Letting old decisions dictate what you do moving forward is not a successful way to manage a team, or manage anything for that matter. The argument that “now that we know we shouldn’t have drafted Brooks” is pretty ridiculous as we didn’t know at the time

There is merit to the points you're making here.

On the flip side one could argue it took us investing 150 million in the oline for him to have a breakout season. And he has still yet to hit 1k rushing yards in a season.

As far as Brooks goes the position does not require that significant of a draft investment for many other teams. That's not being negative it's just a matter of fact. The 49ers did quite well with a UDFA running back while McCaffrey was out.

It is understandable that some people have concerns.

That being said it boils down to whether or not you believe in the player. We just have to see what happens with him and Brooks.

[PNW_PantherMan]

2 hours ago, Martin said:

This was a breakout season for Chuba, you never know what will happen with a new coaching staff. They didn’t know at the time of the draft, so they drafted another RB high. But that shouldn’t prevent them from adapting and feeling like Chuba is worth investing in now that they’ve seen what he can do. It gives us a potentially very strong 1-2 punch. Letting old decisions dictate what you do moving forward is not a successful way to manage a team, or manage anything for that matter. The argument that “now that we know we shouldn’t have drafted Brooks” is pretty ridiculous as we didn’t know at the time

Chuba is playing at a similar level to last season.  The line has just improved tremendously.  He was only bad his first year or two.

[strato]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

There is merit to the points you're making here.

On the flip side one could argue it took us investing 150 million in the oline for him to have a breakout season. And he has still yet to hit 1k rushing yards in a season.

As far as Brooks goes the position does not require that significant of a draft investment for many other teams. That's not being negative it's just a matter of fact. The 49ers did quite well with a UDFA running back while McCaffrey was out.

It is understandable that some people have concerns.

That being said it boils down to whether or not you believe in the player. We just have to see what happens with him and Brooks.

I wonder what choice they had with what they are paying CMc. You can do it with a good line against most teams but it is nice to have a quality one two punch.

 

[Basbear]

4 hours ago, Martin said:

This was a breakout season for Chuba, you never know what will happen with a new coaching staff. They didn’t know at the time of the draft, so they drafted another RB high. But that shouldn’t prevent them from adapting and feeling like Chuba is worth investing in now that they’ve seen what he can do. It gives us a potentially very strong 1-2 punch. Letting old decisions dictate what you do moving forward is not a successful way to manage a team, or manage anything for that matter. The argument that “now that we know we shouldn’t have drafted Brooks” is pretty ridiculous as we didn’t know at the time

 

18 hours ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I love paying guys who prove themselves coming into their prime.  Also, it very easy to structure a 4 years deal with 15 guaranteed to be very team friendly and good for both sides.  It's pretty much 12-15th ranked RB money.  We also traded around in that round and got an extra 2nd rounder next year and still got Brooks, who I might add would have been an easy first round pick had it not been for the injury. 

It's still all educated guesses but you've adding some cover you ass insurance with these moves in case of injury or just being wrong about a guys talent.  Longer seasons.  You had in all these factors together and this is exactly the kind of move very smart GM's make. 

I forgot to add how much Canales uses RB's in his system in the run and pass games.    Chubba is currently tied with Legette for 2nd on the team in receptions.  He is one behind Sanders for 3rd in targets.

Canales also loves efficiency and his 5 ypc are elite. And that isn't to say about the guy as a teammate and team leader.  That's worth money too.

ESPECIALLY, when you are a bad team and you're a new coach trying to build a new culture.

Hell, man could be the lynch pin to this team's chemistry.  Unless Dave and Dan make some extremely stupid move they deserve to build this team like they think is best.  

Keep pounding.

 

This is some good solid logic. I still go back to the teams think tank and it includes the current Dan Morgan, each looked over the roster of holes and came to a clear conclusion that the RB needed improving. They could have gave the same 2022 Miles contract to Hubbard, but didn't. Next up Morgan trades up for a RB with sanders and Hubbard here in his last year. While the edge group is lead bye Charles "panthers are the only team that wanted me " harris

Hubbard keeps grinding and improves along with the OL, *now* months after seeing brooks on the field and watching hub get like 5.1 ypc...the brain trust goes and gives him a updated miles contract.........Just a odd timeline of events, I believe all of us can agree on that. Just the market is at the lowest its ever been for RBs and this team is 2-7 with other losing seasons with hubbard chugging along as a cheap rookie. I do agree with you sorta need 2 starting level RBs, so use a mid-rounder or sign one in FA for 2-4 per. Hubbard signed for more than King Henry, sure age and all. Id still want Henry for 8per over 2 years than hubbard 8.3 over 2(his cut point)

Honestly part of is still pissed form the Herniay era and spending top draft picks and top level cap space on RBs. I love the guy but they even signed toldozer for upper money with stew and dwill, just poor management of resources. Now 20 years later, history repeats while the league is laughing at the Panthers.

I want to over spend and over use draft capital on WRs, edge, and DL. At they rotate and play at the same time, panthers never used stew and dwill at the same time while both were top 5 paid. ugh 

[KillerKat]

11 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Happy for Chuba and he earned the money for sure. 

Not pumped about going from big RB contract to big RB contract and absolutely FLABBERGASTED that we spent a 2nd round pick on Brooks now. That was utterly moronic.

If you want a capable 2nd string RB, get them in the 3rd-5th round. You know.....like Chuba.

Morgan still has a little John Fox in him. Got to value those RBs even though they have been devalued for around a decade now. Never go more than 2-3 years on a contract unless he is a superstar, never pay high money and never draft a RB high unless you are set everywhere else. We failed on the first and third rules.

Edited 4 hours ago by KillerKat

[Wolfcop]

Isn’t the 4th year voidable? Basically makes it a 3 year contract if so. I’m okay with this contract, especially since Hubbard stands for everything they want the culture to be. 

[Ricky Spanish]

People comparing this deal to CMC, Williams, or Stewart is laughable, and I'll break the numbers down as to why:

In 2020 We made CMC the highest paid RB ever. We gave him a $64 million over 4 years with $38 million guaranteed. That's $16 million on average.

In 2011 we extended Williams, then in 2012 we extended Stewart. These extensions were 12 and 13 years ago:

• Williams - 5 years, $43 Million, $25 Million Guaranteed, Average of $8.6 Million per year
• Stewart - 5 years, $36 Million, $23 Million Guaranteed, Average of $7.3 Million per year

Let me do the math for you:

• The Salary Cap in 2020 when we Signed CMC was $198.2 Million. CMC accounted for 8% of our total cap that season.
• The Salary Cap in 2012, when we had both Williams and Stewart under contract, was $120.6 Million. Those two combined to take up 13.1% of our total cap that season.

Without the cap going up next season (and it will) Chuba is taking up 3.2% of our total cap.

That's it.

Not only are we paying Chuba HALF of what we were paying CMC per year, and LESS than what we paid Williams over a decade ago, the overall cap percentage shows how much less significant the contract extension is compared to those other moves.

I really am not following how people are calling this contract a "big" money contract on a running back and a waste of cap space.

This is a solid and reasonable starting RB contract in the modern NFL.

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

People comparing this deal to CMC, Williams, or Stewart is laughable, and I'll break the numbers down as to why:

In 2020 We made CMC the highest paid RB ever. We gave him a $64 million over 4 years with $38 million guaranteed. That's $16 million on average.

In 2011 we extended Williams, then in 2012 we extended Stewart. These extensions were 12 and 13 years ago:

• Williams - 5 years, $43 Million, $25 Million Guaranteed, Average of $8.6 Million per year
• Stewart - 5 years, $36 Million, $23 Million Guaranteed, Average of $7.3 Million per year

Let me do the math for you:

• The Salary Cap in 2020 when we Signed CMC was $198.2 Million. CMC accounted for 8% of our total cap that season.
• The Salary Cap in 2012, when we had both Williams and Stewart under contract, was $120.6 Million. Those two combined to take up 13.1% of our total cap that season.

Without the cap going up next season (and it will) Chuba is taking up 3.2% of our total cap.

That's it.

Not only are we paying Chuba HALF of what we were paying CMC per year, and LESS than what we paid Williams over a decade ago, the overall cap percentage shows how much less significant the contract extension is compared to those other moves.

I really am not following how people are calling this contract a "big" money contract on a running back and a waste of cap space.

This is a solid and reasonable starting RB contract in the modern NFL.

It's not a big contract, it's very reasonable. The unreasonable part was selecting a RB in the 2nd round if you planned on doing this.