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BREAKING:Panthers re-sign Chuba Hubbard

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30 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

The difference is those teams are competing today.  We're not even close.

So are we in the "good teams don't do this phase" or is it "we aren't a good enough team to do this?"  A strong running game is a good way to get a weaker roster looking better quickly IMO.  Try to control the clock and TOP to speed up the game.  It's also a great way to get a young QB comfortable more quickly in the league.  Again we are talking about 15 million guaranteed over 4 years....  

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4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

yeah I meant rb but yeah.  Still cannot believe a team didnt offer the ravens anything for him

Most teams figured the Ravens wouldn't actually deal him though and it's valid. An MVP quarterback in his prime? That's career suicide by the part of the Ravens GM. Only someone like Scott Fitterer would be dumb enough for that.

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28 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He is just saying you can find really cheap guys to produce in the nfl at the RB position

Apparently the Niners can and other teams that were already mentioned like the Cowboys and Texans could not.  The Niners also make QBs look better and WR looks better.  I mean should we wait and get a QB in the 7th because the Niners have Purdy playing well?  I'd say they are more of an outlier team when it comes to offensive positions and success.

Top 10 RBs in yards

Henry, Barkley, Jacobs, Mason, Hubbard, Conner, Kamara. Gibbs, Robinson, and Pollard.  Most of these guys are paid decent contracts with the Niners player being the outlier.  

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5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

So are we in the "good teams don't do this phase" or is it "we aren't a good enough team to do this?"  A strong running game is a good way to get a weaker roster looking better quickly IMO.  Try to control the clock and TOP to speed up the game.  It's also a great way to get a young QB comfortable more quickly in the league.  Again we are talking about 15 million guaranteed over 4 years....  

Competitive windows are all about timing.  We're just spinning our wheels.  The Lions let both of their RBs walk before drafting Gibbs and acquiring Montgomery.  They have a QB, WRs, and offensive line and a defense.

It makes sense to load up while the window is open.  We need to work on opening the window.  Poor allocation of salary cap can make that impossible.  This team is not a QB away.

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3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Apparently the Niners can and other teams that were already mentioned like the Cowboys and Texans could not.  The Niners also make QBs look better and WR looks better.  I mean should we wait and get a QB in the 7th because the Niners have Purdy playing well?  I'd say they are more of an outlier team when it comes to offensive positions and success.

Top 10 RBs in yards

Henry, Barkley, Jacobs, Mason, Hubbard, Conner, Kamara. Gibbs, Robinson, and Pollard.  Most of these guys are paid decent contracts with the Niners player being the outlier.  

Not sure about the texans but the cowboys didnt even try.  They thought Zeke was the answer.  Jerry jones is stupid and you can look around the league to see lower drafted guys producing.

 

Like I said the his contract isnt bad but the allocation of resources to that position is head scratching.   Personally I would never give a 2nd deal out as they rarely seem to work for us.  i would perpetually be drafting a guy in the later rounds.

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1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Competitive windows are all about timing.  We're just spinning our wheels.  The Lions let both of their RBs walk before drafting Gibbs and acquiring Montgomery.  They have a QB, WRs, and offensive line and a defense.

It makes sense to load up while the window is open.  We need to work on opening the window.  Poor allocation of salary cap can make that impossible.  This team is not a QB away.

You would think we would have more salary to add players like RBs since we aren't paying out a QB.  If you can build a roster similar to Detroit I'd go for it.  I don't think that is the plan though.  I think we are building a young offense that can really help a young QB rookie or whoever we go with.  A big expensive OL, strong stable of RBs,  big targets in JT, XL, and Coker etc...  Yeah we need defense too, but we really need to get healthy on defense and see what we are working with.  

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47 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I honestly didn't like trading up on the 2nd to draft a RB with a torn ACL. That didn't seem like a great move for this roster. But it wouldn't be a bad move if he proved to be a quality starter. But now signing Chuba to starter money on the hells of that? Yeah, that's significant roster building assets tied up in the RB position which has been a hallmark of the Panthers' roster building thought process over the years which has led to zero sustained success on the field.

To play devils advocate gotta start somewhere

our top 3 receiving leaders are now all rookies which sucks now but bodes well for the future

People complain about letting talent walk or trading it. then people complain about paying a starter a starters wage. 

Yes we have decent assets tied to our rb room. But if, and it's a big if, they produce a 2nd round pick and 10 mill a year is reasonable.  Double trouble cost 2 1sts and tens of millions 

 

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2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Not sure about the texans but the cowboys didnt even try.  They thought Zeke was the answer.  Jerry jones is stupid and you can look around the league to see lower drafted guys producing.

 

Like I said the his contract isnt bad but the allocation of resources to that position is head scratching.   Personally I would never give a 2nd deal out as they rarely seem to work for us.  i would perpetually be drafting a guy in the later rounds.

I just showed you the top 10 guys.  They all are getting paid decent minus the Niners situation.  The Texans running game sucked last year so they trade for Mixon and then paid him and it looks much better now.  

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4 minutes ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

To play devils advocate gotta start somewhere

our top 3 receiving leaders are now all rookies which sucks now but bodes well for the future

People complain about letting talent walk or trading it. then people complain about paying a starter a starters wage. 

Yes we have decent assets tied to our rb room. But if, and it's a big if, they produce a 2nd round pick and 10 mill a year is reasonable.  Double trouble cost 2 1sts and tens of millions 

 

they are our top wr leaders simply because they are the only ones playing.  Do to poor drafting - mingo, injury - AT and who the fug knows - Johnson there is literally nobody else that can play

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    • ForJimmy
      BREAKING:Panthers re-sign Chuba Hubbard

      By ForJimmy · Posted

      You keep rounding up to $10 in order to exaggerate your point which usually means your point is very strong.  Bijan is making 5.5 millions a year to Chuba's 8.5 and they used an absolute premium pick on him in a top 10 pick.  That pick vs were we picked Chuba or even Brooks are two very different draft prospects.  Chuba has the attitude and skillset we want to build a better team and culture.  He has shown he can be a top RB and we are paying him a moderate salary. You also need to look at the contract again.  Only $15 million is guaranteed.  It could look very similar to that Henry 2 year $16 million dollar one you are suggesting we do instead.  Always look at the guaranteed vs the total money.  If Chuba gets the total money he is cooking and we are happy.   You want us to use assets elsewhere because we have so many holes but you also want us to draft another WR in the first, probably top 5 this year will all of the other holes we have on the roster.  To me those two opinions don't line up.  Back to back 1st round picks on WRs when we have so many holes.  I think we are just keeping good young players that want to be here and Chuba fits the mold.  TMac could also fit that mold.  
    • Ricky Prickles
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      By Ricky Prickles · Posted

      I dont believe Bryce is the future at all but I also dont believe we should use a first on Sanders or Ward. Grab someone later in the draft or wait until next year is what I would do but if I were always right I would be a GM so theres that too I guess.
    • oceans_1
      Why are we wasting money on RBs? Not even 2 years and we overpaid for 2 RBs!

      By oceans_1 · Posted

      I swear there are like 6 people on this godforsaken website that must be paid just to piss and moan all day in these stupid ass threads, for years on end, about fugging everything. Always something to whine about. If y'all aren't getting paid to professionally bitch about this team at every opportunity you need to reevaluate your lives because that ish is pathetic for grown ass men to be doing.  There are at least 50 other voices of reason in here. They're all smarter than you kneejerking perpetual contrarians. It's a fine contract. Our previous dipstick GM ran this team like some college kid that read a few Investopedia articles on technical trading and started throwing daddy's money at every positive indicator he saw - look what happened when Fitt drafted by RAS because he couldn't identify talent if it was footballs deep in his wife in the war room. It's a football team and this preoccupation with analytics, in this instance the positional value of RBs, is like 30% of the equation. It's not wholly inaccurate, but it requires a lot of context and, going back to the trading analogy, an understanding of the fundamentals. This is a sad, crappy organization that needs some winning attitudes in the locker room and on the field. $15 mil guaranteed over two years is nothing compared to the intangible value he brings, and the message the contract sends, not to mention his stellar work ethic and consistent improvement. 
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