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BREAKING:Panthers re-sign Chuba Hubbard

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PNW_PantherMan Grand Master

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1 minute ago, Bear Hands said:

That perspective I get.  I'm still a bit iffy on Morgan, although the draft class has looked alright.  

It will take at least another offseason to establish a core group here.  The defense is a sieve, unsure on coaches & QB. And we'll have to get ahead of the curve looking for a Moton replacement as well.  Not so sure that's in house right now.    

I would imagine a Moton extension is probably coming.  I'm just not sure I understand the strategy.  We have so much invested in running the ball, but we don't have a defense or a QB.  It seems like it will be very difficult to put together a viable roster with this setup.  We cannot draft an entirely new defense.  We need some money allocated there too.  And I'm not completely sold that we are solid at WR and TE.

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

On the other hand you have a third year UDFA #4 in the league in SF filling in for injured huge money CMC.

The Niners RB room is waaaaaaaaay more pricey than ours.  CMC is $19 million by himself.  Before the injuries people liked what the Niners were building.  People love what the Lions are building and they are locking in their RBs, a 1st rounder and a vet they just extended.  The assets allocated to our RB room aren't that crazy honestly.

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1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I would imagine a Moton extension is probably coming.  I'm just not sure I understand the strategy.  We have so much invested in running the ball, but we don't have a defense or a QB.  It seems like it will be very difficult to put together a viable roster with this setup.  We cannot draft an entirely new defense.  We need some money allocated there too.  And I'm not completely sold that we are solid at WR and TE.

I keep thinking it's looking like a better and better spot for a young QB to land looking at the offense. 

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1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

The Niners RB room is waaaaaaaaay more pricey than ours.  CMC is $19 million by himself.  Before the injuries people liked what the Niners were building.  People love what the Lions are building and they are locking in their RBs, a 1st rounder and a vet they just extended.  The assets allocated to our RB room aren't that crazy honestly.

The difference is those teams are competing today.  We're not even close.

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5 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I would imagine a Moton extension is probably coming.  I'm just not sure I understand the strategy.  We have so much invested in running the ball, but we don't have a defense or a QB.  It seems like it will be very difficult to put together a viable roster with this setup.  We cannot draft an entirely new defense.  We need some money allocated there too.  And I'm not completely sold that we are solid at WR and TE.

Taylor is a dude I would love to see go to a contender and experience some success in the league before he hangs it up.  He's probably got one contract left in the pros and we've got him locked in next season (rest is voidable).  We could be in a spot to grab a young OT in R2-4 this draft that can backup for a season and then take over.  Would love to start backfilling a strength to avoid it becoming a weakness.  Can't have the bottom fall out if we want to be this run heavy team.  Also--just need to figure out the damn QB spot ha - oh and defense.  Lot's to still figure out but back to Chuba - don't think this really straps us.  It's a difference between a 2-4 mil FA contract and a 8 mil known asset that works with the pieces we have.  That's a $4 mil difference on a $260 mil cap.  Manageable.

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14 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And it could be substantially less. Outside of a handful of elite guys there's no one who should be getting paid "starter money" at RB. It's a plug and play position. We drafted Brooks to be our starter. We can find a serviceable backup with a mid to late round pick or low level free agent deal. We need a QB and a whole defense. A backup RB with a starter contract or starter draft capital investment is the last thing this roster needs.

I mean the deal isnt that bad I admit, but its just curious for a lot of reasons.  I seriously doubt he would have gotten that on the open market and I really really didnt want to put anything else against our cap until we get out of 2025 but again its not much.  The really odd thing is how much draft capital we have given up for 2 running backs while only 1 has played.   A 4rth, 2 fifths and a second.    4 picks just seems like a lot given this team and the holes on it.  Personally you could have let him walk and more then likely duplicated his overall production in the draft and just start again.

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5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

The Niners RB room is waaaaaaaaay more pricey than ours.  CMC is $19 million by himself.  Before the injuries people liked what the Niners were building.  People love what the Lions are building and they are locking in their RBs, a 1st rounder and a vet they just extended.  The assets allocated to our RB room aren't that crazy honestly.

He is just saying you can find really cheap guys to produce in the nfl at the RB position

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3 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Taylor is a dude I would love to see go to a contender and experience some success in the league before he hangs it up.  He's probably got one contract left in the pros and we've got him locked in next season (rest is voidable).  We could be in a spot to grab a young OT in R2-4 this draft that can backup for a season and then take over.  Would love to start backfilling a strength to avoid it becoming a weakness.  Can't have the bottom fall out if we want to be this run heavy team.  Also--just need to figure out the damn QB spot ha.

the hit next year is 31 million which  is kindof nuts so the only way around that is to extend him or get him to agree to a paycut which aint happening.  So seems to me they are lining up for next season to be his last.  Which would be fine since he would be 31 and is expensive as hell.  I dont remember so I will have to go back and read about the deal but damn why was it so back loaded to start with?

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12 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He is just saying you can find really cheap guys to produce in the nfl at the RB position

But why keep looking for those kinda guys when you have one on your team? You keep signing those guys and they dont pan out, what do you do then? Try again? and sign another one? 

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1 minute ago, scratched said:

But why keep looking for those kinda guys when you have one on your team? You keep signing those guys and they dont pan out, what do you do then? Try again? and sign another one? 

IMO you absolutely never sign a qb as a free agent.  They are easy to find in the draft

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2 hours ago, Stingray3030 said:

Chuba was still on a rookie deal so he was only making a little over $1M a year

I didn’t take the time to find his old contract butI was able to find that he had a 3.25 million dollar cap hit so that sounds incongruous. Maybe it was 3.29 I read it earlier.  

edit: to those calling it big money, I know it is money but how big it is, when WRs are getting well over 20 million per, and over ten years ago the Panthers were paying DW 8.5 mil per.

When you get two years down the road are those numbers gonna look that bad, if he plays well?  

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    • ForJimmy
      BREAKING:Panthers re-sign Chuba Hubbard

      By ForJimmy · Posted

      You keep rounding up to $10 in order to exaggerate your point which usually means your point is very strong.  Bijan is making 5.5 millions a year to Chuba's 8.5 and they used an absolute premium pick on him in a top 10 pick.  That pick vs were we picked Chuba or even Brooks are two very different draft prospects.  Chuba has the attitude and skillset we want to build a better team and culture.  He has shown he can be a top RB and we are paying him a moderate salary. You also need to look at the contract again.  Only $15 million is guaranteed.  It could look very similar to that Henry 2 year $16 million dollar one you are suggesting we do instead.  Always look at the guaranteed vs the total money.  If Chuba gets the total money he is cooking and we are happy.   You want us to use assets elsewhere because we have so many holes but you also want us to draft another WR in the first, probably top 5 this year will all of the other holes we have on the roster.  To me those two opinions don't line up.  Back to back 1st round picks on WRs when we have so many holes.  I think we are just keeping good young players that want to be here and Chuba fits the mold.  TMac could also fit that mold.  
    • Ricky Prickles
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      By Ricky Prickles · Posted

      I dont believe Bryce is the future at all but I also dont believe we should use a first on Sanders or Ward. Grab someone later in the draft or wait until next year is what I would do but if I were always right I would be a GM so theres that too I guess.
    • oceans_1
      Why are we wasting money on RBs? Not even 2 years and we overpaid for 2 RBs!

      By oceans_1 · Posted

      I swear there are like 6 people on this godforsaken website that must be paid just to piss and moan all day in these stupid ass threads, for years on end, about fugging everything. Always something to whine about. If y'all aren't getting paid to professionally bitch about this team at every opportunity you need to reevaluate your lives because that ish is pathetic for grown ass men to be doing.  There are at least 50 other voices of reason in here. They're all smarter than you kneejerking perpetual contrarians. It's a fine contract. Our previous dipstick GM ran this team like some college kid that read a few Investopedia articles on technical trading and started throwing daddy's money at every positive indicator he saw - look what happened when Fitt drafted by RAS because he couldn't identify talent if it was footballs deep in his wife in the war room. It's a football team and this preoccupation with analytics, in this instance the positional value of RBs, is like 30% of the equation. It's not wholly inaccurate, but it requires a lot of context and, going back to the trading analogy, an understanding of the fundamentals. This is a sad, crappy organization that needs some winning attitudes in the locker room and on the field. $15 mil guaranteed over two years is nothing compared to the intangible value he brings, and the message the contract sends, not to mention his stellar work ethic and consistent improvement. 
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