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BREAKING:Panthers re-sign Chuba Hubbard

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If they cut Sanders, and are paying Brooks 2nd round rookie contract money then where is the huge expense? They are giving Brooks 2 million per basically. Wasn't Chuba getting 3-4 million? It probably is a wash without Sanders' money on the tab.

spotrac overthecap they are all updated I had a hard time getting the older numbers

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13 minutes ago, NorthTryon said:

I haven't heard a damn thing out of the mid RBs that were supposed to be so serviceable and so good after we took Brooks. Only two have over 400yds with good ypc. Media narratives man. 

Yeah, that is kind of valid. But other years may be different.

I have used this before because it is possibly the best example of the counter or media argument: CMC 8th overall. Kamara went in the 3rd. (I think) the Saints got more from Kamara than the Panthers did from CMC the first couple of years. 

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1 hour ago, CarolinaLivin said:

I don't think I would've minded maybe a 2 year extension vs. the 4 year they gave him. I get it, realistically, you don't expect brooks to come in and explode on the scene. You also didn't draft brooks to be a bell-cow kind of back. I think a 2 year extension to build brooks into the lead back while also drafting chuba's replacement either 2025 or 2026 and work him in. Brooks was a sanders replacement and not a chuba replacement that much is evident.

Personally, I would have let him walk and brought in a bigger back via draft. Personally I don't like chuba and brooks being double trouble. I would prefer to pair either one with a bigger RB. 

It's only 15m guaranteed so most likely the contract is structured in a way where it basically is a 2 year deal.

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4 minutes ago, strato said:

If they cut Sanders, and are paying Brooks 2nd round rookie contract money then where is the huge expense? They are giving Brooks 2 million per basically. Wasn't Chuba getting 3-4 million? It probably is a wash without Sanders' money on the tab.

spotrac overthecap they are all updated I had a hard time getting the older numbers

Chuba was still on a rookie deal so he was only making a little over $1M a year

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1 minute ago, Tr3ach said:

It's only 15m guaranteed so most likely the contract is structured in a way where it basically is a 2 year deal.

I think you also have to take into account that we have no clue about Brooks yet, so 4-yrs covers us if he is a bust without giving us an issue in 2 years to fix.  Plus that will mean he will need a new deal again as soon as Brooks needs one, so if Brooks is a stud you don't have a lingering expensive contract for Chuba.  All around seems sensible to me

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2 minutes ago, Stingray3030 said:

I think you also have to take into account that we have no clue about Brooks yet, so 4-yrs covers us if he is a bust without giving us an issue in 2 years to fix.  Plus that will mean he will need a new deal again as soon as Brooks needs one, so if Brooks is a stud you don't have a lingering expensive contract for Chuba.  All around seems sensible to me

Shouldn't you also take into account that Brooks is playing this weekend and Chuba didn't have to be signed this week?

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1 minute ago, strato said:

Yeah, that is kind of valid. But other years may be different.

I have used this before because it is possibly the best example of the counter or media argument: CMC 8th overall. Kamara went in the 3rd. (I think) the Saints got more from Kamara than the Panthers did from CMC the first couple of years. 

Even with that one, Kamara was a mess at Tennessee. He fumbled every fifteen carries like clock work, had suspect hands, and was very frail/fragile. When he come out of the gate playing like he did for New Orleans, everybody was surprised. Don't get me wrong, there has been good RB talent all throughout and after the draft over the years. But when you have a chance to get that difference maker, you take him. Last week, watching Gibbs run that 76 yard touchdown validated everyone in Detroit for taking him top ten. That is four/five passes Goff doesn't have to throw, o-line doesn't have to block, plays kept in the vault, and it demoralizes defenses! There are maybe 3 guys in the NFL that could've made that play and because of plays like that I will never buy into that narrative of RBs are a dime a dozen.

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1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Shouldn't you also take into account that Brooks is playing this weekend and Chuba didn't have to be signed this week?

Brooks is likely to be very limited the rest of the year.  I don't think we will see enough from him to judge his long term value.  Plus we still need a 2nd RB regardless - the 2025 FA class is gonna be slim pickins compared to last year.

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53 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Yea people think you can find GOOD running backs easy when that's not the case lol. You see Dallas fans crying for a rb Cincinnati let theirs walk now they had to trade for one, the Giants let theirs walk and you see what that looks like. 

Yeah, the notion that you can get great guards and RBs on day 3 of the draft is Huddle/internet folklore. Sure, it happens sometimes....by teams that draft way better than the Panthers. Dan's first draft seems promising. If he's going to succeed as a GM he's going to have to have really goods drafts, with tying a lot of money in guards and RBs.

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9 minutes ago, NAS said:

Chuba is worth this contract and we’re nicely set up for Brooks to take over as featured back when his rookie contract is up.  Smart move

Yeah hope this 2back system brings many wins like people keep comparing to other teams.

 

Problem is we lack talent on defense this won't result in wins. I hate the timing this could have been done in the off-season and we could have had more options. If Brooks balled out we could have used that money on a defensive starter. RBs come and go.

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      BREAKING:Panthers re-sign Chuba Hubbard

      By ForJimmy · Posted

      You keep rounding up to $10 in order to exaggerate your point which usually means your point is very strong.  Bijan is making 5.5 millions a year to Chuba's 8.5 and they used an absolute premium pick on him in a top 10 pick.  That pick vs were we picked Chuba or even Brooks are two very different draft prospects.  Chuba has the attitude and skillset we want to build a better team and culture.  He has shown he can be a top RB and we are paying him a moderate salary. You also need to look at the contract again.  Only $15 million is guaranteed.  It could look very similar to that Henry 2 year $16 million dollar one you are suggesting we do instead.  Always look at the guaranteed vs the total money.  If Chuba gets the total money he is cooking and we are happy.   You want us to use assets elsewhere because we have so many holes but you also want us to draft another WR in the first, probably top 5 this year will all of the other holes we have on the roster.  To me those two opinions don't line up.  Back to back 1st round picks on WRs when we have so many holes.  I think we are just keeping good young players that want to be here and Chuba fits the mold.  TMac could also fit that mold.  
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      I swear there are like 6 people on this godforsaken website that must be paid just to piss and moan all day in these stupid ass threads, for years on end, about fugging everything. Always something to whine about. If y'all aren't getting paid to professionally bitch about this team at every opportunity you need to reevaluate your lives because that ish is pathetic for grown ass men to be doing.  There are at least 50 other voices of reason in here. They're all smarter than you kneejerking perpetual contrarians. It's a fine contract. Our previous dipstick GM ran this team like some college kid that read a few Investopedia articles on technical trading and started throwing daddy's money at every positive indicator he saw - look what happened when Fitt drafted by RAS because he couldn't identify talent if it was footballs deep in his wife in the war room. It's a football team and this preoccupation with analytics, in this instance the positional value of RBs, is like 30% of the equation. It's not wholly inaccurate, but it requires a lot of context and, going back to the trading analogy, an understanding of the fundamentals. This is a sad, crappy organization that needs some winning attitudes in the locker room and on the field. $15 mil guaranteed over two years is nothing compared to the intangible value he brings, and the message the contract sends, not to mention his stellar work ethic and consistent improvement. 
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