Week 10 opponent - NY Giants

[Manna]

26 minutes ago, rayzor said:

He might have a lucky sack then crickets the rest of the game.

that or a TFL then disappear. 

[Davidson Deac II]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Honestly, the Giants have consistently played teams pretty tough. I would say that they likely win this game.

They have a decent defense, but the worst offense in the league.  That bodes well for us to at least have a shot.  

[strato]

10 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

They have a decent defense, but the worst offense in the league.  That bodes well for us to at least have a shot.  

They have scored 8 fewer points than we have but given up something like 91 fewer points. I haven't looked deeper than the standings so maybe they really are worse. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Another matchup of two of the worst teams in the NFL. This might be the worst thing to happen to Germany since the firebombing of Dresden.

[Davidson Deac II]

21 minutes ago, strato said:

They have scored 8 fewer points than we have but given up something like 91 fewer points. I haven't looked deeper than the standings so maybe they really are worse. 

No doubt they have looked better than us most of the season.  And we have had some horrible games. But I do think the defense has looked a little better the last couple of weeks. Not great, but not getting trounced by 50 points bad. Hopefully, it's not just an illusion

[strato]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

No doubt they have looked better than us most of the season.  And we have had some horrible games. But I do think the defense has looked a little better the last couple of weeks. Not great, but not getting trounced by 50 points bad. Hopefully, it's not just an illusion

We got guys back that helped. That stuff with both ILB going down the same week and no Clowney either, was rough

[kungfoodude]

10 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Burns type rushers are Ickey's worst  nightmare. Better give him help. Would rather see a TE on Burns than Ickey

 

 

10 hours ago, Johnstonny said:

...we godda start thinking about if Ickey is gonna pan out..he looks stiff as a board .....

He has allowed 1 sack this season. His issue is penalties more than anything else. He is averaging 1 penalty per game.

In general, we should have zero complaints about this OL unit. Especially considering we have been a bottom 16 unit for about 8 years now.

[CarolinaLivin]

14 hours ago, MHS831 said:

We could draft a C with the second, second round draft pick. 

I thought we only had 1 pick in the 2nd (via Rams), bears has our original pick

[TLGPanthersFan]

13 hours ago, strato said:

 It is about Tepper if you ask me. 

Man if Tepper forces Canales to keep Bryce if we have a chance to draft Sanders or Ward I may go to Charlotte and burn it all down.

[TheSpecialJuan]

I guarantee we will win Sunday 

https://x.com/avl_mike/status/1854217353623666710?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

[grimesgoat]

20 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I think this is spot on.  The difference, in my opinion, is QB.  In 2022, Jones was QB 9 and Daboll and the Giants seemed like they were back.  A decent OL, good WRs, and a solid Running game.  In 2023, the Giants had some injuries to the OL and it was terrible--worse than our OL.  WRs were terrible.  No real TE. Barkley was it.  Jones was pressured from the pocket as much as Bryce Young and Fields. This season, Jones is QB 7 in the NFL when throwing from a clean pocket; during the offseason, Shoen tried to revamp the OL like we did and instead of going after a QB in the draft, decided WR was a bigger need and drafted Nabers, hoping the OL improvement and the stud WR would make Jones better.  But they lost the running game (Barkley).  A few OL injuries here and there and a bit of underperformance, and Jones is facing new demons--nobody is afraid of Tracy or Singletary, NY's top 2 running backs--even if you include their receiving yardage--they cannot best Barkley's rushing yards alone in Philly.  All that to make 2 points:

• Jones is a top 7 QB (according to the stats) when throwing from a clean pocket.  The Panthers are 32nd in the league in the area of pressuring the passer. 
• With injuries to the OL, no TE threats to speak of (21 receptions combined), a weak running game, Daboll is on the hot seat; there is even talk of Benching Jones for Drew Lock. 

Expect Jones to have a better day vs. the Panthers than he would most other teams.  He can run (we can't get off the field on third downs).  We will have to blitz (knowing that he is deadly from a clean pocket) and that could create throwing lanes and running lanes for Jones.  I expect Jones to have a good day against us.

Having said that, considering the success of Darnold and Mayfield, Jones is only 28.  He has a big cap figure, and if the Giants decide to move on from him (remember, when he had better WRs, linemen, running game, and WRs as he did in 2022, Jones was good and got a big contract.  This might be a game where we can observe Jones to see if he might be a good fit here.  He is 6'5" and 230 and mobile.  Smart, but he tends to hold the ball too long at times (no WR open, no TEs, and no running game)--understandable.  The Panthers, however, could give him all he needs to be successful.  (I know some of you are screaming, "No! He sucks!" I think he is perfect for our system.  We need to add a WR.  Sanders needs to continue to develop and maybe we need another good TE.  The OL?  Maybe we grab a center. Not sure what is going on with Ickey.  In other words, he would be really good with a strong running game, clean pocket, and weapons.  We could trade for him (picking up a player with a big contract that the team is trying to unload is not giving up a lot), then we could trade back a bit in the draft and get a WR and Edge rusher.  His salary is about $20m after bonuses, etc. Shoen and Morgan have a relationship.  We could then draft someone like Allar, Nussmieir, Beck, Ewers, Rourke, Dart,etc. to groom behind Jones, who would have 2 years on his contract.  Just a thought.  Instead of reaching for another #1 or #2 overall rookie QB, we get an established QB who could be much better here, enabling us to move back in the draft to add a second rounder or late first. We could draft a C with the second, second round draft pick.  This is not as exciting as taking Ward or Sanders, but it might be smarter.  

Not sure I agree with all of this, but i love the out-of-the-box thinking.  Great post.

[MHS831]

52 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Not sure I agree with all of this, but i love the out-of-the-box thinking.  Great post.

Thanks--I do to (love thinking that's outside the box).  I think the best QB from this draft will not be Sanders or Ward, for some reason--but Sanders will be a better pro than Ward, in my opinion.  In 10 years, we will look back and say, "Hmmm.  Who knew Rourke would be the steal of that draft?" (example).  Nussmieir and Allar are on my radar now--

If you need an edge on defense, where are you going to find a starter except in round 1? (Or overpay for a veteran).  Instead of putting all eggs in the Jones basket, and stats prove that he can play in perfect conditions, you basically bring in an experienced, perhaps transitional qb, and you draft a QB later and develop him.  So you are adding 2 QBs to the QB problem and not going "all in" on a guy who may simply be a system qb in college and can't transition.  An early first rounder is usually forced to start so they do not get a year or two in the QB room watching a veteran work and improve.  

If Ward becomes the next Patrick Mahommes, you look stupid, but in this scenario, (and it is not perfect--still a risk) you fill the edge need, draft a QB, sign a veteran QB, and allow Bryce to compete.  Three options and you get the edge and a WR in the draft. 

I will be watching Jones vs. Panthers (32nd in the NFL in QB pressures) closely Sun AM.  If he plays well vs. us, it validates what I am saying and he could be beaten down for reasons beyond his doing.  We shall see (That is why I am mentioning this stuff this week_).  Take care

 

[Candler Cat]

21 hours ago, NAS said:

I'm afraid Brian Burns will have his revenge game against us.  

1 sack and a nap?

[Ricky Prickles]

10 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Man if Tepper forces Canales to keep Bryce if we have a chance to draft Sanders or Ward I may go to Charlotte and burn it all down.

I dont believe Bryce is the future at all but I also dont believe we should use a first on Sanders or Ward. Grab someone later in the draft or wait until next year is what I would do but if I were always right I would be a GM so theres that too I guess.