Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Bryce Young QB School

Jackie Lee

By Jackie Lee,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

mav1234 Grand Master

mav1234

Posted
Posted

I'm not really getting Lamar Jackson vibes from watching Ward, tho he is very dynamic and exciting too. He just doesn't seem as athletic / elusive.  But I'm pretty much just watching highlights, so I could be wrong. 

I don't think he needs to be Lamar to be real successful from what I'm seeing tho.

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
MHS831 Grand Master

MHS831

Posted
Posted
37 minutes ago, Ghostofdelhomme said:

Baker has won one playoff game and Darnold had a good first half of a season, not unlike his tenure here. 
Jameis Winston still sucks. What other top 3 picks are still relevant that makes this a “trend”?

When did I say top 3 picks? Talking about starters who were unsuccessful or sent packing from one team to find more success on another--- Goff? Carr? Geno Smith?  Darnold? Baker?  --heck, if you take those QBs alone (5) you are talking about over 15% of the league.  But you are looking at performance and I am looking at skill set and fit.  What you did not mention is the bust rate for the rookie qbs who are drafted.  Why is that?  Fit and, in my view, opportunity to develop. I know that it is easy to say, "I saw this on TV"  or "but he has only been good for a short amount of time"  well, this process is not a lifetime achievement award.  Darnold was here for a half season--did he ever show the success he did here as he has in Minnesota?  Nope.  So what is the difference?  FIT. 

My point?  If Jones is a top 7 QB over the past 3 years when throwing from a clean pocket and here, we will have a top running back room (Hubbard and Brooks), a good young WR room, a good young developing TE, and a veteran, top 5 offensive line--those are the conditions that would make him throw from clean pockets.  That is all I am saying--did I give him a gold jacket?  I said it was risky.  So is drafting a QB.  I also mentioned other ways our team could improve.

But you decide to put words in my mouth and then argue against those words.  Brilliant.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
mav1234 Grand Master

mav1234

Posted
Posted

So trying to reboot Bridgewater, Darnold, and Mayfield's careers weren't enough... Now we're pushing for Daniel Jones?

Ergh. If he's cheap while we develop a rookie, fine.  But I have no interest in building around another team's reject. We have our own rejects to build around 🥴

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
ForJimmy Grand Master

ForJimmy

Posted
Posted
28 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Likewise. Not sure how you are seeing that. Have definitely never seen that comp from anyone else.

It's his drop back/playing style from the pocket.  He and Lamar look so casual back there and both can launch the ball with a flick of the wrist.  However, Ward doesn't have Lamar's running ability at all.  He can run, but not like Lamar and he can't make defenders miss like that, especially in the next level.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
kungfoodude Grand Master

kungfoodude

Posted
Posted
15 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It's his drop back/playing style from the pocket.  He and Lamar look so casual back there and both can launch the ball with a flick of the wrist.  However, Ward doesn't have Lamar's running ability at all.  He can run, but not like Lamar and he can't make defenders miss like that, especially in the next level.

They are not the only QB's that have ever played with a seemingly casual style. Really outside that they are not very similar at all.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
ForJimmy Grand Master

ForJimmy

Posted
Posted
7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

They are not the only QB's that have ever played with a seemingly casual style. Really outside that they are not very similar at all.

And where did anyone say they were? I’m saying that’s where the comp comes from. I agree they are different. No two QBs are the same even that Nebraska QB is different than Mahomes no matter how hard he tries…

  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Ghostofdelhomme Rising Star

Ghostofdelhomme

Posted
Posted
On 11/8/2024 at 11:56 AM, MHS831 said:

When did I say top 3 picks? Talking about starters who were unsuccessful or sent packing from one team to find more success on another--- Goff? Carr? Geno Smith?  Darnold? Baker?  --heck, if you take those QBs alone (5) you are talking about over 15% of the league.  But you are looking at performance and I am looking at skill set and fit.  What you did not mention is the bust rate for the rookie qbs who are drafted.  Why is that?  Fit and, in my view, opportunity to develop. I know that it is easy to say, "I saw this on TV"  or "but he has only been good for a short amount of time"  well, this process is not a lifetime achievement award.  Darnold was here for a half season--did he ever show the success he did here as he has in Minnesota?  Nope.  So what is the difference?  FIT. 

My point?  If Jones is a top 7 QB over the past 3 years when throwing from a clean pocket and here, we will have a top running back room (Hubbard and Brooks), a good young WR room, a good young developing TE, and a veteran, top 5 offensive line--those are the conditions that would make him throw from clean pockets.  That is all I am saying--did I give him a gold jacket?  I said it was risky.  So is drafting a QB.  I also mentioned other ways our team could improve.

But you decide to put words in my mouth and then argue against those words.  Brilliant.

Carr sucks? He’s worse on the saints. All the other qb’s are average that ended up on good teams with Hall of Fame receivers, except Geno, but he has one great one and Lockett/Njigba. I’m sure even Bryce would do well throwing to Jefferson. But yes, if your team is stacked a decent qb can put up some decent numbers 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MHS831 Grand Master

MHS831

Posted
Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Ghostofdelhomme said:

Carr sucks? He’s worse on the saints. All the other qb’s are average that ended up on good teams with Hall of Fame receivers, except Geno, but he has one great one and Lockett/Njigba. I’m sure even Bryce would do well throwing to Jefferson. But yes, if your team is stacked a decent qb can put up some decent numbers 

Amazing.  You make a mistake when you present opinions as if you are all knowing and everyone else needs your condescending correction.  So, OK.  Thanks for the wisdom--now back to work--those fries don't pull themselves out of that oil.

Edited by MHS831
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Ghostofdelhomme Rising Star

Ghostofdelhomme

Posted
Posted
14 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Amazing.  You make a mistake when you present opinions as if you are all knowing and everyone else needs your condescending correction.  So, OK.  Thanks for the wisdom--now back to work--those fries don't pull themselves out of that oil.

For someone who thinks Carr had a “revival”, you must be the guy who cleans the fryer baskets

Link to comment
Share on other sites
7CLOWNS Explorer

7CLOWNS

Posted
Posted
On 11/8/2024 at 11:56 AM, MHS831 said:

When did I say top 3 picks? Talking about starters who were unsuccessful or sent packing from one team to find more success on another--- Goff? Carr? Geno Smith?  Darnold? Baker?  --heck, if you take those QBs alone (5) you are talking about over 15% of the league.  But you are looking at performance and I am looking at skill set and fit.  What you did not mention is the bust rate for the rookie qbs who are drafted.  Why is that?  Fit and, in my view, opportunity to develop. I know that it is easy to say, "I saw this on TV"  or "but he has only been good for a short amount of time"  well, this process is not a lifetime achievement award.  Darnold was here for a half season--did he ever show the success he did here as he has in Minnesota?  Nope.  So what is the difference?  FIT. 

My point?  If Jones is a top 7 QB over the past 3 years when throwing from a clean pocket and here, we will have a top running back room (Hubbard and Brooks), a good young WR room, a good young developing TE, and a veteran, top 5 offensive line--those are the conditions that would make him throw from clean pockets.  That is all I am saying--did I give him a gold jacket?  I said it was risky.  So is drafting a QB.  I also mentioned other ways our team could improve.

But you decide to put words in my mouth and then argue against those words.  Brilliant.

Lmao, D.Jones first half against us just proved this was all a laughing matter 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • PanthersATL
      Cam will be on a reality show, airing in January

      By PanthersATL · Posted

      thought it started airing Jan 8th?
    • Prowler2k18
      Ekwonu

      By Prowler2k18 · Posted

      Mayes has a weight advantage at Center.  Christensen’s versatility is valuable but better on the outside than the interior IMO. Mays can also play multiple spots along the interior. I think we’re in the best position we’ve been in years with the OL.
    • MHS831
      2025 HOF - semifinalist named

      By MHS831 · Posted

      Back n 94 or 85 (We had just drafted Biakabatuka and Moose) I was at an OTA in Rock Hill and I bumped into Donnie Shell, the player personnel director, I believe.  It was just after the AFC playoff final when Harbaugh was the Colt QB and he had a pass dropped in the end zone that would have beaten Pittsburgh.  I grew up a Colt fan--so I told him how it made me sick, and he laughed--very nice guy.  I then asked him about the Hall of Fame, and he said that he appreciated the thought and he prays for it, but there are so many of his teammates from that Steeler team who deserved it more--he said that it probably makes it more difficult for him because they do not want to let in every Steeler and they could argue that I was better because of my teammates.  He was very humble.  I told him that I was only a young kid, but I remember him bringing it just as much as the others--I was so happy when he was inducted--even after he laughed at my Colts.    
×
×
  • Create New...