Bryce Young QB School

[JawnyBlaze]

And then after the first pick, of course I want defense for the rest of the draft. 

[MHS831]

I have been living on the edge this week--and I put out on another thread or created one--maybe in always current "2023 Draft" board/room, that we should consider trading back even if Cam Ward is there.  I am not sold on his entire body of work--and wonder if he is a system QB (I hate saying that) or if he is finally putting it all together. Here is what I know---(repeating myself):  The Giants are down on Daniel Jones after giving him a huge deal after the 2022 season, one where he had a pretty good supporting cast.  In 2023 he had a horrible OL and struggled.  His weapons?  Not good.  In 2024, he has NO running game behind him, there have been a few key injuries to the OL...For the past 2 years, this pocket passer has been pressured a lot--most in the league (according to one article--I read several and did not save links---this is from memory).  THIS SHOCKED ME:   Throughout his career, he is ranked #7 when throwing from a clean pocket.  He is 6' 5" and 230--I imagine about 8 inches taller and 50 lbs heavier than Bryce and he is probably more mobile that Bryce.  We have a good OL, and could probably upgrade at C and maybe T.  With Canales teaching the 2.4 seconds rule, he could be better in a different setting. The Giants are talking about benching him.  Daboll is desperate and on the hottest of hot seats---they can't really cut him now--cap hell.  However, If we acquired him, we'd only owe his remaining salary, not his signing bonus, and that figure would be about $60m for 2 seasons.  The Giants would love getting out of that and might even absorb some costs.  Jones gets a strong running game, awesome OL, and if we draft a WR early, XL, Thielen, Coker, Moore, and a stud rookie would be pretty impressive.  If Sanders (TE) keeps developing and Tremble can stay healthy, TE is better than it has been for a while.   I think Jones, at age 29, would be ready to step in and make things happen--a Darnold/Mayfield story. 

Jones contract is good through 2026, so that gives you time to evaluate him.  In the draft, trade down, add a second rounder.  Draft an edge, then a WR with one of the round 2 picks and then get a developmental QB (even if you have to trade back up) like Nussmieir, Rourke, Allar, or someone similar to Jones to develop for two seasons.  In round three, get a DT (Morgan has drafted well later in the draft, so we could add another ILB.  On defense, we get Wonnum back and Brown returns.  Wallace is a year older, and we added a DT.   Horn and Jackson are solid CBs, Smith-Wade??? not sure.  So we are not far off.

If we draft Ward, it is another high risk high reward situation.  It does not give us that added second rounder or the ability to draft that edge we need so badly.  Jones' stock is down, but if you do your homework, you understand that he needs protection and weapons, perhaps more than most QBs.  This year, defenses are not worried about Tracy and the other RB who are each averaging under 50 yards per game.  Saquan Barkely is gone.  Here, he has a stocked garage at RB, developing weapons at WR and TE, and a good OL.  When that happened in the past (albeit on a lesser scale) Jones was the #7 ranked passer from the pocket--and he has mobility and speed at 6'5".  He is currently 28. 

Just sayin.  Now if someone responds by saying "Jones sucks!" It means you did not read this.  Jones comes back to his hometown.  Its a damn Disney movie!

Edited 2 hours ago by MHS831

[LinvilleGorge]

Every highly drafted QB is high risk, high reward. No way around it. There's no such thing as a sure thing in the draft and that's especially true at the QB position. It's just that when you trade a king's ransom for the pick it becomes absurdly high risk with the same potential reward. You've vastly skewed the downside of the equation.

[PNW_PantherMan]

41 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Every highly drafted QB is high risk, high reward. No way around it. There's no such thing as a sure thing in the draft and that's especially true at the QB position. It's just that when you trade a king's ransom for the pick it becomes absurdly high risk with the same potential reward. You've vastly skewed the downside of the equation.

Taking on significant additional risk with no additional return.  In the investment world, they call that stupid.

[Aussie Tank]

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I have been living on the edge this week--and I put out on another thread or created one--maybe in always current "2023 Draft" board/room, that we should consider trading back even if Cam Ward is there.  I am not sold on his entire body of work--and wonder if he is a system QB (I hate saying that) or if he is finally putting it all together. Here is what I know---(repeating myself):  The Giants are down on Daniel Jones after giving him a huge deal after the 2022 season, one where he had a pretty good supporting cast.  In 2023 he had a horrible OL and struggled.  His weapons?  Not good.  In 2024, he has NO running game behind him, there have been a few key injuries to the OL...For the past 2 years, this pocket passer has been pressured a lot--most in the league (according to one article--I read several and did not save links---this is from memory).  THIS SHOCKED ME:   Throughout his career, he is ranked #7 when throwing from a clean pocket.  He is 6' 5" and 230--I imagine about 8 inches taller and 50 lbs heavier than Bryce and he is probably more mobile that Bryce.  We have a good OL, and could probably upgrade at C and maybe T.  With Canales teaching the 2.4 seconds rule, he could be better in a different setting. The Giants are talking about benching him.  Daboll is desperate and on the hottest of hot seats---they can't really cut him now--cap hell.  However, If we acquired him, we'd only owe his remaining salary, not his signing bonus, and that figure would be about $60m for 2 seasons.  The Giants would love getting out of that and might even absorb some costs.  Jones gets a strong running game, awesome OL, and if we draft a WR early, XL, Thielen, Coker, Moore, and a stud rookie would be pretty impressive.  If Sanders (TE) keeps developing and Tremble can stay healthy, TE is better than it has been for a while.   I think Jones, at age 29, would be ready to step in and make things happen--a Darnold/Mayfield story. 

Jones contract is good through 2026, so that gives you time to evaluate him.  In the draft, trade down, add a second rounder.  Draft an edge, then a WR with one of the round 2 picks and then get a developmental QB (even if you have to trade back up) like Nussmieir, Rourke, Allar, or someone similar to Jones to develop for two seasons.  In round three, get a DT (Morgan has drafted well later in the draft, so we could add another ILB.  On defense, we get Wonnum back and Brown returns.  Wallace is a year older, and we added a DT.   Horn and Jackson are solid CBs, Smith-Wade??? not sure.  So we are not far off.

If we draft Ward, it is another high risk high reward situation.  It does not give us that added second rounder or the ability to draft that edge we need so badly.  Jones' stock is down, but if you do your homework, you understand that he needs protection and weapons, perhaps more than most QBs.  This year, defenses are not worried about Tracy and the other RB who are each averaging under 50 yards per game.  Saquan Barkely is gone.  Here, he has a stocked garage at RB, developing weapons at WR and TE, and a good OL.  When that happened in the past (albeit on a lesser scale) Jones was the #7 ranked passer from the pocket--and he has mobility and speed at 6'5".  He is currently 28. 

Just sayin.  Now if someone responds by saying "Jones sucks!" It means you did not read this.  Jones comes back to his hometown.  Its a damn Disney movie!

Well it looks like we’re trying to build our team like the lions did after the Chuba deal. The next step is to trade for an out of favour high draft pick QB that has had a good season but their team wants to get out of their bloated contract. Jones fits the bill and maybe Lawrence 

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

Well it looks like we’re trying to build our team like the lions did after the Chuba deal. The next step is to trade for an out of favour high draft pick QB that has had a good season but their team wants to get out of their bloated contract. Jones fits the bill and maybe Lawrence 

Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not but the Jags are not trading Lawrence under any scenario and I swear to Buddha if we trade for Daniel Jones and his contract I will delete my account and cease to ever follow this dog poo of a franchise