How to sign your core group and take advantage of the uncapped year

[Delhommey]

I will ask you the same question. Davis for example has a RFA. We we sign him to a contract in 2010 do we have to use the 30% rule or not? From the language I quoted it sounds like it addressed a decrease in an uncapped year and an increase in a capped year but not a new contract negotiated in an uncapped year. read the section I quoted on the 30% rule and tell me how it reads to you.

Davis wouldn't be restricted by the 30% rule as an RFA (which is why Marshall got a monster contract).

Kalil and Williams are the two that are really affected by the 30% rule.

[Sandy Claws]

I will ask you the same question. Davis for example has a RFA. We we sign him to a contract in 2010 do we have to use the 30% rule or not? From the language I quoted it sounds like it addressed a decrease in an uncapped year and an increase in a capped year but not a new contract negotiated in an uncapped year. read the section I quoted on the 30% rule and tell me how it reads to you.

Plus we don't have to pay all the signing bonuses up front. Roster bonuses are treated like signing bonuses and not part of the base salary, but apply in the year they are paid. it wouldn't help the cap but it would keep all the guaranteed money from being due all at once.

Yes you have to use the 30 %.

You have to remember that when written it was expected that the CBA would last through the 2013 season. The owners had the option to void 2 years which moved everything up that means the "last capped year" was 2009. Plug 2009 into this example anywhere ist says 2011 from your quote

For example,

without limitation on any other applicable example, a four-year Player Contract signed in the 2011 League Year, assuming that it is Capped, may not

provide for an annual increase of more than 30% of the 2011 League Year

Salary, excluding amounts treated as a signing bonus, in any of the three (3)

additional League Years covered by the Contract.

[Sandy Claws]

Davis wouldn't be restricted by the 30% rule as an RFA (which is why Marshall got a monster contract).

Kalil and Williams are the two that are really affected by the 30% rule.

Marshall's contract still has to comply. They haven't published the details but I bet you'll find base salaries about 30% up from his 2 million (or so) salary last year. It's going to be loaded with some guaranteed Roster bonuses etc., that can be converted for cap savings if we get one back.

[panthers55]

Yes you have to use the 30 %.

You have to remember that when written it was expected that the CBA would last through the 2013 season. The owners had the option to void 2 years which moved everything up that means the "last capped year" was 2009. Plug 2009 into this example anywhere ist says 2011 from your quote

Actually when I looked at the voidable clsuse it talked about voiding in 2008 and voiding in 2009. If they voided in 2008 which they didn't the final year would have been uncapped in 2009 and the final year would be 2010. By voiding it in 2009 the uncapped was 2010 and the final year was 2011. The point I can't find is where they discuss the 30 percent rules as it applies to contracts in an uncapped year. I understand the decrease was so you could pull the rug out but the increase seems to talk about going from a capped to an uncapped year but not what to do when you are already into the uncapped situation.

[panthers55]

The key is how much signing bonus money. Look at Beason. How long of a deal do you want? 5 years? Let's start with that. He made 1.1 million for a base last year so he can get increases of 330k/year. That means in 2010, he'll get 1.43 million, 2011 = 1.76 million, 2012 = 2.09 million, 2013 =2.42 million and 2014 = 2.75 million for a total contracted base salary of 10.45 million. I consider Beason to be one of the top LBs in the league now. That would put is total salary in the 9-10 million range. There are some paid more than that now. So basically, just to get him up with the compensation NOW, we need a 35 million plus signing bonus. If I'm his agent, I'll want to project increases in salaries and ask for even more. Now we have Beason signed. How much do you think we need to sign Kalil?

From my example already posted, I would give Kalil a 3 year extension recognizing we can visit it again with the new CBA and renegotiate. I would give him a total of around 15 milion signing and roster bonuses. 10 million guaranteed up from, another 5 in a roster bonus down the road and another 4 or 5 million in bonuses likely to be earned. Total compensation would be around 24 million for 3 years. More than adequate.

[Sandy Claws]

From my example already posted, I would give Kalil a 3 year extension recognizing we can visit it again with the new CBA and renegotiate. I would give him a total of around 15 milion signing and roster bonuses. 10 million guaranteed up from, another 5 in a roster bonus down the road and another 4 or 5 million in bonuses likely to be earned. Total compensation would be around 24 million for 3 years. More than adequate.

His 2009 salary was 460K so, following the 30% rule, his base salaries for those 3 years can be 598K, 736K, & 874K. You're going to have to open up the wallet more if you expect a pro-bowl center to sign a 3 year deal. He & his agent are going to want a longer deal.

[panthers55]

His 2009 salary was 460K so, following the 30% rule, his base salaries for those 3 years can be 598K, 736K, & 874K. You're going to have to open up the wallet more if you expect a pro-bowl center to sign a 3 year deal. He & his agent are going to want a longer deal.

And the reality is so would we. But both his agent and he have to know that many teams will be facing this and they will all want to lock up their core group of guys as well. With a ton of money going to those guys next year, Kalil will be among a big group of guys who may not paid as well as they would have liked or for as long as they would have wanted given the issues every team will face. With everyone going cheap this year I really doubt they open up the pursestrings too wide next year either.

[Delhommey]

Marshall's contract still has to comply. They haven't published the details but I bet you'll find base salaries about 30% up from his 2 million (or so) salary last year. It's going to be loaded with some guaranteed Roster bonuses etc., that can be converted for cap savings if we get one back.

Looking at it you are correct as it was an extension and not a new contract.

[panthers55]

Looking at it you are correct as it was an extension and not a new contract.

That was one of my questions. With Davis working under the tender if he is given a long term contract does he have to follow the 30% rule. SF says yes. What do you think??

[Delhommey]

I think with a new contract it wouldn't matter so long as the contract doesn't increase 30% in any one given year. The rule is that the contract can't increase more than 30% WITHIN the contract, thus presenting problems with extensions of rookie contracts.

Demeco Ryans was signed for a new contract which included $7 million in salary for 2010, which is certainly more than 30% of his 2009 salary as he was a second round pick originally. I think this is allowed as it is not the same contract so the slate is wiped clean.

The same rules would apply with Davis if offered a brand new contract.

[pantherclaw]

"12:47

[Comment From Sam JacksonSam Jackson: ]

Any word on DWill getting an extension of some sort, or are we going to roll the dice with the whole CBA situation up in the air?

Monday April 19, 2010 12:47 Sam Jackson

12:48

Charles Chandler:

Their hands are tied because of new CBA rules this year. They'll have to wait until after the season.

Read more: http://www.heraldonline.com/2010/04/19/2101309_p2/full-text-todays-online-chat-on.html#ixzz0lZWL1b9M"

So it evidently isn't as cut and dry as you think. There are issues preventing them from getting these contract extensions that everyone (including the Panthers FO) done.

[panthers55]

"12:47

[Comment From Sam JacksonSam Jackson: ]

Any word on DWill getting an extension of some sort, or are we going to roll the dice with the whole CBA situation up in the air?

Monday April 19, 2010 12:47 Sam Jackson

12:48

Charles Chandler:

Their hands are tied because of new CBA rules this year. They'll have to wait until after the season.

Read more: http://www.heraldonline.com/2010/04/19/2101309_p2/full-text-todays-online-chat-on.html#ixzz0lZWL1b9M"

So it evidently isn't as cut and dry as you think. There are issues preventing them from getting these contract extensions that everyone (including the Panthers FO) done.

The issue is the 30% rule as far as an extension. Once his contract expires it won't be an extension and the 30% rules doesn't apply. At least that is what I think I learned in all these posts???????:thumbsup:

[pantherclaw]

I didn't read the entire thread. Just was passing along something I read today, that I thought was interesting.