Thank you Matt Rhule's wife...

[45catfan]

7 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

No, he's not -- he's a top-15 RB based on his vision, speed, blocking ability and catching ability. Not saying to re-sign Chuba to a backbreaking deal, but don't let him walk if he can be had for pennies on the dollar.

Agree to disagree. He's improved, but he's not a top back. Our OL is much improved and he's benefited from it.

[SOJA]

I'm not going to tolerate Chuba slander on here. Guy has done nothing but work his ass of since getting here. When he first started he was a timid runner who always went down on first contact. Yesterday he had a game winning touchdown run on a cutback where he broke multiple tackles 

[CPantherKing]

7 hours ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Completely wrong. He's averaging 5ypc, if you take out his longest run this season, he's averaging 4.8ypc. He consistently gets at least 3-5 yards. He averages 1.9 yards after contact which is the same as Jahmyr Gibbs and Bijan Robinson and better than Saquon Barkley, Breece Hall, Joe Mixon, and Jonathan Taylor to name a few (among RBs with at least 100 carries this season). He's only been tackled for a loss on 7 of his 133 carries (5.2%) He's not a big play back with only 20 runs of 10+ yards. He's as consistent as it gets.

First, Hubbard is a GOOD change of pace RB. He is not a top 15 playoff caliber every down RB. It's completely wrong to believe he can carry a team to wins in a full game and control the clock.

So, how do you explain the Washington game where he killed 2 of the 6 drives in the 1st half?

7 runs of 1 yard or -2 yards on 12 carries. You call that consistent? He's ended how many opening drives with his consistent running? Atlanta game with his -2 yard run, his 0 gain in the flat against Chicago, and his 1-0-0 runs against the Bengals.

Hubbard wasn't even productive on the TD Drive he scored on against the Saints (runs of 1-6-2-0-1). That was JT Sanders drive bailing out the running game.

He's a change up back to catch a defense off guard. The final TD drive where he had 1 run in the drive after the passing game set him up for a 16 yard TD run makes this clear.

Hubbard needs the passing game and a strong run blocking OL. He needs 115 yards from the passing game on both those TD drives. On the 3rd TD drive against the Saints, Hubbard had a 6 yard run and a 0 yard run.

You'd cheer his stat line for those 3 TD drives of 8 carries for 32 yards (4.0 ypc) and 2 TDs. He lost on 4 of those 8 carries. He did not anchor any of those drives. He won on 61% of his opportunites. That's equivalent to a QB completing 50% of their passes.

Stop looking at garbage stats and see how he factors into a meaningful drive. How many drives is he responsible for ending? How many drives does he carry the load? I'm not saying he isn't good, but he isn't a feature back. He's clearly a change up and 1st down RB at best with significant weaknesses as an every down RB.

Here are his 9 opening drive touches. 4-7-3-Punt (Young), 5-3-Punt (Tremble), 4-8-6-6-TD (Dalton), 6-0-0-3-1-0-0-Turnover (Hubbard), 5-0-Punt (Tremble/Hubbard), 4-(-2)-Punt (Hubbard/Ekwonu), 4-6-1-Turnover (Miles/Hubbard), 8-7-(-2)-13-TD (Young), 5-Punt (Miles). That's 3.75 yards per touch and he was responsible for 4 failed opening drives.

This is a prime example of an inconsistent RB.

[Ricky Prickles]

14 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

He's not giving us a discount. He would be foolish to do so. We either meet his demands or we draft a late round replacement and move on. I love Chubba but business is business. 

What he said. This will probably be his only chance to capitalize on a larger payday in his career so he won't be giving any sort of deal to us and I would call him foolish if he did. It's about money first especially in his position and somebody is going to be willing to overpay him which puts us on the outside looking in. He will be gone and we will be needing to draft his replacement in the later rounds unfortunately.

[csx]

As a RB he should absolutely go wherever he gets paid the most. He gets 1 of these opportunities in his career.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

I'm glad it worked out, but the idea that we made a pick based on somebody's wife thinking the guy had a cool name is just insane. Really shows our FO has no idea WTF they are doing and literally just throwing darts at a board and praying.

[electro's horse]

i'd also like to thank matt rhule's wife

[DaveThePanther2008]

If we can't re-sign him don't we get a compensation pick if he signs elsewhere. Seems that pick would be better than what we would get in a trade. 

[Jon Snow]

5 hours ago, R0CKnR0LLA said:

I'm glad it worked out, but the idea that we made a pick based on somebody's wife thinking the guy had a cool name is just insane. Really shows our FO has no idea WTF they are doing and literally just throwing darts at a board and praying.

His wife told him to select Chubba because Chubba ran all over Rhules team when he faced him every year. Not because he had a cool name. I swear I think some of the folks on here don't even follow the team with the comments I read on this board. 

[Davidson Deac II]

20 hours ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Completely wrong. He's averaging 5ypc, if you take out his longest run this season, he's averaging 4.8ypc. He consistently gets at least 3-5 yards. He averages 1.9 yards after contact which is the same as Jahmyr Gibbs and Bijan Robinson and better than Saquon Barkley, Breece Hall, Joe Mixon, and Jonathan Taylor to name a few (among RBs with at least 100 carries this season). He's only been tackled for a loss on 7 of his 133 carries (5.2%) He's not a big play back with only 20 runs of 10+ yards. He's as consistent as it gets.

Yeah, he is definitely a guy who can push the pile.  Not really a break away long ball threat.  I am hoping Brooks can provide that aspect to compliment him. 

[TD alt]

11 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

First, Hubbard is a GOOD change of pace RB. He is not a top 15 playoff caliber every down RB. It's completely wrong to believe he can carry a team to wins in a full game and control the clock.

So, how do you explain the Washington game where he killed 2 of the 6 drives in the 1st half?

7 runs of 1 yard or -2 yards on 12 carries. You call that consistent? He's ended how many opening drives with his consistent running? Atlanta game with his -2 yard run, his 0 gain in the flat against Chicago, and his 1-0-0 runs against the Bengals.

Hubbard wasn't even productive on the TD Drive he scored on against the Saints (runs of 1-6-2-0-1). That was JT Sanders drive bailing out the running game.

He's a change up back to catch a defense off guard. The final TD drive where he had 1 run in the drive after the passing game set him up for a 16 yard TD run makes this clear.

Hubbard needs the passing game and a strong run blocking OL. He needs 115 yards from the passing game on both those TD drives. On the 3rd TD drive against the Saints, Hubbard had a 6 yard run and a 0 yard run.

You'd cheer his stat line for those 3 TD drives of 8 carries for 32 yards (4.0 ypc) and 2 TDs. He lost on 4 of those 8 carries. He did not anchor any of those drives. He won on 61% of his opportunites. That's equivalent to a QB completing 50% of their passes.

Stop looking at garbage stats and see how he factors into a meaningful drive. How many drives is he responsible for ending? How many drives does he carry the load? I'm not saying he isn't good, but he isn't a feature back. He's clearly a change up and 1st down RB at best with significant weaknesses as an every down RB.

Here are his 9 opening drive touches. 4-7-3-Punt (Young), 5-3-Punt (Tremble), 4-8-6-6-TD (Dalton), 6-0-0-3-1-0-0-Turnover (Hubbard), 5-0-Punt (Tremble/Hubbard), 4-(-2)-Punt (Hubbard/Ekwonu), 4-6-1-Turnover (Miles/Hubbard), 8-7-(-2)-13-TD (Young), 5-Punt (Miles). That's 3.75 yards per touch and he was responsible for 4 failed opening drives.

This is a prime example of an inconsistent RB.

I love it when people try to ding backs for having a bad O-line. That doesn't make much sense in my opinion. Do you believe that backs that run behind bad O-lines--historically bad O-lines don't suffer in reference to stats? 

I've looked at some of the best and worst backs. How many times did I see CMC run into the pile and get stuffed? They're going to lose some yards, I don't care who they are, that's why you keep consistently giving them the ball to keep defenses honest, get the back into a rhythm, catch the defense off balance, and give the back an opportunity to break one. 

Chuba's main knock is that he's really not a breakaway back and doesn't take it to the house like  backs with more speed and dynamicism. That can be a big thing, but not every back is that, and none of them are the same.

Chuba's value will be determined by the market. He's not going to get top money, and he's not going to get bottom money either, but his running style and productivity has value.